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Obama drops all attempts to try to even look like he's compromising

:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
In his latest "take it or leave it because I'm the emperor" offer to avert the fiscal cliff, Obama has dropped all the spending cuts out of his plan, asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes coupled with a permanent end to the debt ceiling. [link]

There is absolutely no reason for the Republicans to accept that deal. Even the sequester that results from going over the fiscal cliff itself (which would repeal the Bush tax cuts while cutting $1 trillion in spending) would be a better compromise than Obama's latest proposal. So that's it. Thanks to Obama's hubris, we're jumping off the fiscal cliff head-first.

In fact, it doesn't matter whether we adopt Obama's $1.6 trillion in tax hikes or just let the sequester happen- either one will send us into a recession.

So that's it- a major recession is inevitable. If you voted for Obama, you deliberately voted to crash the economy. Are you happy with yourself?
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:iconalphamale1980:
alphamale1980 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
In his latest "take it or leave it because I'm the emperor" offer to avert the fiscal cliff, Obama has dropped all the spending cuts out of his plan, asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes coupled with a permanent end to the debt ceiling.

False

This is why you should stop getting all your information from a website called hotair... Obama's proposal is to have talks to decide the amount of increase on the highest 2% of erners, and to keep the cuts for the 98% of the nation below that level. He has also put changes in entitlement programs on the table. The only thing keeping negotiations from continuing is the refusal of republican leaders to even acknowledge that a combination of both spending cuts and tax increases on the wealthiest Americans is the only way to make positive fiscal gains.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
Funny, last week it was 1%. Now it's 2%? So I suppose next week it will be 3%, and so on, until tax hikes catch up with the exponentially rising spending, right?

You're really fooling yourself if you think the 98% are safe from the rapacious greed of the Democrats.
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:iconalphamale1980:
alphamale1980 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Actually it was never 1%. It has always been raising taxes on individuals making over $200,000 or families making over $250,000. Those people make up about 2% of earners. That's what it was in the election, and that's what it is now.
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:iconpoopgoblyn:
Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Why would he want to compromise? The Fiscal Cliff is in his best interest.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Exactly. He knows he's going to cause a recession eventually, and he thinks he's found a way to pin it on the Republicans.
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:iconpoopgoblyn:
Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I was alluding to more of the idea that the fiscal cliff would put more Americans into depending on the federal government for welfare, hehe
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Because Democrats actively think to themselves, "Gee, wouldn't America be great if we gave away a bunch of free stuff?".
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Obama has dropped all attempts to do any fucking thing except hike taxes and gas prices on the middle class
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
and wage war to save women from the indignity of having to buy rubbers for their dick provider
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah the bypassing of congress on matters of the debt ceiling thing is just such a bad idea it's not even funny...

the debt ceiling is there as a check to prevent things like this. we should just take it like a man and let the dump our credit score already...
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:iconalphamale1980:
alphamale1980 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Funny, the only time our credit score has been downgraded in living memory was because republicans refused to raise the debt limit.
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it wouldn't have been downgraded if SOMEPARTY didn't max out the debt ceiling with their "SHUT UP AND TAKE SOMEONE ELSES MONEY" Policies.
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:iconalphamale1980:
alphamale1980 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
"Some party" doesn't fly. Republicans loooove their spending too. Remember we're paying for a couple of wars and a military that is larger than the next 5 countries combined on those credit cards too.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I don't think you know why the debt ceiling is there, friend.
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's to prevent over spending. credit cards have debt limits as well, this is to prevent you from getting into personal financial trouble, as well as protecting the lenders from financial loss in the event that you can't repay it.

I think it is YOU who doesn't understand...
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Debt Ceilings don't prevent over spending. It's an allowance of the federal government to REPAY debts owed, not to spend more. It isn't a cap on federal spending.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
If we were really taking it like men, we'd be kicking Obama to the curb already.
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the country hasn't learned it's lesson yet apparently.. though I still think that storm tipped the scales... 4 more years of horrorshow economic policies should do the trick.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What happened to deficit hysteria, Schemer? Now you give a shit about the economy staying afloat? In that case, I never want to hear you scream about spending cuts again, because spending makes the economy run, and somebody has to spend if the middle class ain't doing it.

Ever negotiated anything, Schemer? You start with presenting what you want, then you work from there to compromise with your bargaining partner. This is the START of negotiations, not the end.

Seriously, the word "negotiate" or variant of it appeared nowhere in this post, as if the only option is "capitulate to Obama." It isn't, you numbskull.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Let me know when Obama starts moving towards compromise. I'll be waiting.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
400 billion in Medicare cuts. Your move.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Over 10 years? You mean the same $400 billion over 10 years the Republicans propose cutting from Medicare and Medicaid just in waste and fraud?

Dude, Medicare and Medicaid are set to cost $900 billion each year by the end of Obama's second term. The program is set to increase in cost more than 10% each year, even if ObamaCare doesn't make it anymore expensive than it's expected to be. Next year alone, Medicare will increase in costs by $60 billion. Even if you cut that down to $20 billion, it will still be growing at 3.3% per year.

Need I remind you that the GDP is only growing at 2% per year under Obama? Once every bit of waste possible to squeeze out of Medicare is eradicated, it will still be growing faster than our economy, and will still be on track to bankrupt the economy, albeit a few years later.

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So let me know when Obama is actually willing to overhaul the program so it won't bankrupt the country. Then we'll have something to talk about.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
He's already eliminated waste. It was 716 billion in Medicare cuts which were going to insurance companies. The rate of growth has nothing to do with waste and everything to do with the fact that more and more people are entering the Medicare pool.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
That chart that I linked to was created in 2010, before ObamaCare started shoving more people on to the Medicare rolls. So the actual "best case" projections should be even worse now.

Face it- insuring everyone through socialist programs is unsustainable.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
It's not unsustainable. There are fixes to it (such as the national sales tax, which I actually support), and a lift on the tax cap for the first 110,000 on social security, reforming Medicare Part D and allowing Medicare providers to negotiate prescription drug prices, etc. There's tons of different reformations on the table, even Obama's proposal to increase premiums payed for by the wealthiest people who take Medicare. The public debt cost is exploding, not Medicare or Social Security. The only desire to gut those programs is because those take up a portion of the budget, quite similar to defense spending. The other ways to pay down the debt to accommodate its growth is through taxation.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
What part of that graph did you not understand? At the rate Medicare is growing, spending will exceed the entire GDP of the nation eventually. No matter how much you tax, Medicare will eat it all up. That's what "unsustainable" means. Are you going to use that national sales tax to collect more than 100% of the GDP? Do you understand the problem with that proposal?
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
our economy is afloat because Oscammer is borrowing trillions to make it appear its "floating"
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:iconvaladix:
Valadix Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The US is not the world...some of us don't want to be hearing this.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Then why are you reading this thread and commenting on it?
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:iconvaladix:
Valadix Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If you must know, I was half bored and half didn't know what it what actually about until I read it. One can't read the full title on the "today" page if said title is too long, you know.
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:icondefense2:
defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
(insert childish cries)

You republicans brought this upon yourselves. You businessmen brought this upon yourselves.

Your jobs were to provide for the masses a standard of living which grew not shrank. You failed.

Your moral obligation to your society was to grow it and make it stronger. You failed.

Your duty as citizens with power within the US and the world was to make and keep the US dollar and status above all others. You failed.

If I failed in every aspect of my job, as you have failed... I would be fired. You have nothing to which to command Obama to meet on your terms. You gave him the power to do as he does, because you are a dismal failure. Not only as men, but as leaders.

Whenever a governing body fails so completely, stronger men rise up and take power. Your just bitching because this string man is black, has a D next to his name which is Husain Obama.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
So enjoy your higher taxes, your declining economy, and your loss of freedom.
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:icondefense2:
defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
1) Higher taxes don't affect me... Can't take blood from a stone.
2) Can't miss what I never was able to enjoy.
3) The loss of freedom? In what way? What freedom is being taken away by the rich paying closer to what is their fair share?


Bottom line is if the rich had been paying their fair share all along, there wouldn't be a need to tax them so much. But because "the job creators" chose to pay and do the minimum... and have the government pick up the slack with welfare and other, the richer you are, the more you are about to pay.

Don't cry about being forced to do your responsibility to the economy, your nation, your countrymen and your world. Least we slap you like you slap a child back talking you.

With any luck, the era of rampant greed that we have had for the last 40 years will be over and your side will be forced to awaken from your utopian dream of abusing the lower classes.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
so we can expect paychecks signed by guys on welfare?
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:icondefense2:
defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
there wouldnt be as many on welfare if the top shared more of their wealth with the masses. But because they won't, it must be taken in the form of taxation.

This taxation which spends half of the tax taken on taxing you to begin with.

Now wouldnt it be better to willingly pay your workers more and less in taxes? More of that money taxed would go directly into the publics hands rather than lost in the shuffle. But greed prevents this from happening.
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meanus Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
yeah I know, trickle down economics...all money goes to the government in hopes that some trickles back down to the people?
Maybe if there were some jobs, people wouldn't need to steal from others
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:icondefense2:
defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
You truly are a troll, aren't you?
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
please stop flaming people if you have nothing intelligent to add...thank you!
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:icondefense2:
defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
You are the one that stated a comment to me, so I replied to your unintelligent comment.
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:iconferricplushy:
FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
This coming from the party that all signed pledges that said absolutely under no circumstances would taxes be raised? Is that suppose to be a compromise?
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
Tax hikes are not compromise. Tax hikes only give an oppressive government even greater control over our own resources. Anyone who thinks tax hikes are some kind of compromise neither wants nor deserves the liberty that the rest of us are fighting for.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
All I heard was bullshit with no suggestions for compromising
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
You want compromise? Try taking a look at the actual cause of our debt troubles. By 2016, this country's entitlement programs and debt servicing will consume a greater portion of the GDP than the federal government has ever been able to collect in tax revenue. We will collapse like Greece without entitlement reform.

So if you're talking about tax hikes, you're not serious about solving the dire problems this country faces. The only way to save this country's economy is through spending cuts, and any serious compromise will only focus on that topic.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
ANY asswipe can generate whatever numbers they want to make the case of what expenses will be in the future, use real numbers are fet the fuck out And this just proves to a greater degree you have no interest in compromises
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ISolitude Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
waaaaaaaah my guy didn't win waaaah qqqqqqqqq booooooo watch me throw this massive fit
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SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is the bulk of his topics.
He's just some crybaby who touches himself to Fox Noise.
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ISolitude Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
blocked!
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
Go fuck yourself.
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:iconsemi-surreal:
semi-surreal Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"Send us into a recession"...? As opposed to what, the DEPRESSION were already in?!

That would technically be an improvement; so I'm guessing you meant to say "a greater depression"....

I miss the late great Ronald Reagan.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Yup. Double-dip recession in the middle of the Second Great Depression.
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