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UN general assembly vote on Palestine

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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The United Nations General Assembly has voted fairly resoundingly (138 votes to 9 with 41 countries abstaining) to lift the Palestinian Authority's UN observer status from "entity" to "non-member state". [link]

The important impact of this vote is that it means the UN recognises the Palestinian state.

Australia was one of the countries who abstained from this vote - [link]

What is your opinion on how this will aid or impede the Peace process that must move forward?
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
ok?
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist
Is this some kind of challenge?
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
is what?
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist
put together the rest of my messages.
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
they make no sense man. "non-stop. over and over one line comment and make a stupid to every thread one line comment"
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist
figure it out
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
too lazy gonna go blaze a blunt
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist
that explains a lot, actually.
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:iconwebnatu:
webnatu Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Who cares!!!!!All I care about is about the two bombs Palestinian's morons exploded in my country killing about 3000 of us. Honestly, what is their problem before the bombings i didn't even know about Palestine, yet we got involved because I don't know maybe they didn't like our meat.
What does a little country in a totally different continent have to do in the mess.

Screw them for all I care!
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
it just struck me ...you're not talking about 911 are you?

If so, then it was not Palestinians, but Al Quaeda (15 from Saudi Arabia, 2 from the United Arab Emirates, 1 from Egypt and 1 from Lebanon), and it was not 3000 of us, but 3000 people from 90 different countries, some of whom were arabs. But there was no bombs, which is why I am really confused by what you said. 19 hijackers took 4 commercial airliners and flew two of them into the World Trade Centre, one of them into the Pentagon and one into a field in Pennsylvania.

If you were referring to that terrorist attack, maybe it would honour the dead more if you got more informed about it. If you weren't, please tell me what bombing terrorism you were referring to that involved 3000 dead and an attack by Palestinians.
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
that person is in canada not usa
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:iconwebnatu:
webnatu Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Professional General Artist
not all attacks happen in the States lol :P
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:iconpsyopjunkie:
psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
also one plane didn't crash into a field in Pennsylvania, it was shot down.

Flight 93 shot down by the US National Air Guard. Shown by FOX at 16:29-16:30 September 11, 2001, and once more at 22.30-22.32 the same day. A service-woman said to be Lt. Col. Phyllis Phipps-Barnes from DC Air National Guard confirms this fact to the FOX reporter. Flight 93 exploded in the air still at a high altitude and its debris are scattered at a distance of at least 6 miles. It is not like an infamous slip of the tongue by Donald Rumsfeld who slipped up saying a plane was shot down over Pennsylvania. This is a public news report -- i.e. legally admissible evidence.

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Fox news Video:

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:iconpsyopjunkie:
psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Israel tried framing palestinians for 911, so you can see why he got confused:


The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab.


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and actually, it was bombs (some nuclear), but I know from our last conversation ([link]) you aren't interested in the facts, just the myth.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually find a previous suggestion you made (that that the Bali attack was nuclear) particularly offensive for some reason (I think it is because it flies in the face of logic, evidence and admission) ...and similarly think your thoughts about a nuclear attack on the WTC towers are misguided. So you are correct, I am not very interested in your version of facts.
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psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
i find it distasteful you don't care how all those people actually died.



Biggest Newspaper in Indonesia Denies Conventional Explosives Were Used in Bali


3. The van driven by Amrozi was a decoy loaded down with a ridiculous mix of TNT, Ammonium Nitrate, HMX, Semtex, PETN, Chlorate, napalm and could have included others. These explosive compounds were blown over the blast site, providing the "international investigating team" with cover for the real device, which was a small plutonium bomb, undetectable by conventional Geiger counters and most likely delivered in one of the hundreds of food carts in the area.
This will account for the lack of radiation detection at the site and the absence of immediate radiation sickness in survivors. Plutonium must be ingested or otherwise introduced into the body in order to kill.


4. In addition to destroying forensic evidence, the fact that the "international investigation team" bulldozed both sites and surrounding areas indicates that the removal of plutonium was also their goal. Choosing the ocean as a dump site would further dissipate any radiological material, making identification of the perpetrators that much more difficult, if not impossible.

6. "Investigators" from the United States FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) were present at the blast sites with 24 hours. The speed of their arrival has never been explained, indicating that they were already present when the bombings occurred. Also present were over 30 "military personnel" (observers) from
the UN Peacekeeping Forces stationed on East Timor, at least five of which were killed by the bombings, apparently
having underestimated the yield of the large, untested device.

8. Doctors at Sanglah described burns to some victims as injuries they had never seen before - outside of pictures of "burns from Hiroshima and Nagasaki..." When contacted at Sanglah by The Jakarta Post investigative team they were clearly terrified and refused comment, one Australian nurse actually suffering a mental breakdown in the presence of an investigator.



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Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses "Experts"
"The bomb flashed and exploded like a micro nuke, but our Geiger counters don't show any radiation"

Political and paid “academic experts” were quickly thrust in front of television cameras to explain the inexplicable. How and why the bombing happened in the first place, and increasingly as harsh reality kicked in and facts became clearer, why dozens of full-size human victims had vanished completely without trace.

Every bomb expert in the world knows that conventional explosives lack the heat and velocity to “vanish” complete bodies in this manner, except perhaps when crushed into total oblivion by a million tons of masonry as happened at the World Trade Center. When the dust from the biggest IRA bomb ever detonated in Northern Ireland finally cleared, the victims were still in the local area. Many were disassembled into large bloody body parts, but they were still generally recognizable.

When a diminutive member of Hamas recently detonated thirty pounds of TNT strapped tightly around his own chest in Palestine, emergency services still had to remove large recognizable chunks of his dismembered body from the area. Believe me people, believe me, conventional explosive cannot “vanish” citizens without trace, and Bali simply did not have a million tons of masonry available to fall on their heads. Only a critical nuclear weapon has the heat needed for instant cremation, combined with the incredibly fast shock wave needed to completely remove the resulting cremated particles from the local area.

Next big problem for the politicians and “experts” was the large crater in the street outside the Sari Club. Five feet deep and twenty-two feet in diameter, the crater served as proof that the weapon was detonated underground rather than on the surface.


Yesterday it was discreetly announced that the contents of the crater, and other debris from the bombsite would be disposed of far out to sea, as a final step in the "Hindu cleansing process". The fact that no Hindu cleansing process known to man requires that nuclear-contaminated waste be buried far out to sea, seems to have escaped media attention. Dumping your nuclear waste in an ocean trench and then blaming it on the Hindu religion is an ingenious idea, in this case based on pure desperation.



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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I find it distasteful that you care so much ...that you would keep airing your views after I have made it very clear I do not agree. The last thing I want is someone trying to shove their theories down my neck.
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
which two bombs are you referring to, and which country was the recipient?
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:iconwebnatu:
webnatu Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Professional General Artist
no no not 911. I'm talking about South America in Argentina 2 car bombers. One in the embassy of Israel and the other in the AMIA. The year was around 1993.
And it was some stupid silly Palestinian group.

I understand there's crazy people in this world, look at the ass who killed all those kids in Connecticut. I'm not putting all Palestinians on the same bag. Granted there's psychos in this world. But still this kind of acts can leave anyone with a sour taste if you know what I mean. Specially cause on the second bomb I was 2 blocks away from the impact so is pretty marked on my head. That's why I wish this ONU answers brings peace and keeps this people happier. That's all I hope for.
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
As Israel has decided to not give Palestine the tax it collects on Palestine's behalf in response to the recent win at the UN, the Arab League today pledged 100 million monthly to make up the shortfall - [link]

They didn't say how long this would continue, but it seems for now it might have staved off the worst economic crisis Palestine has experienced since its foundation.
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:iconpsyopjunkie:
psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Some things are happening as a result of the vote:

"Israel is violating international law by building these new Jewish homes on Palestinian lands as part of its temper-tantrum it’s throwing over the Palestinians getting UN recognition as a “non-member observer state.”

Britain and France May Pull Ambassadors From Israel

Britain and France, like most of the Gentile world, are upset that Israel is going ahead with building new illegal Jewish settlements in
Palestinian East Jerusalem and in the Palestinian West Bank. Senior diplomats say these actions may take place within the next few days.
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
its all israel's land anyways.
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks for the link. Some interesting articles there.

I laughed at this coment in one of them - "The Palestinians might declare their own borders on internationally recognized pre-1967 lines. Israel’s squatters, if they stayed, would automatically become Palestinian citizens"
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
so far, I've blocked 2 idiots who want to propagate their rhetoric and their pro-Israeli agenda regardless of requests for them to address the OP and not try and mis-direct this topic into their normal standard of anti-arab/anti-Palestine ranting. My request has fallen on the deaf ears of Vel-drawings & jaakobou

I know it won't stop them from posting. A topic that indicates support for the Palestine position is anathema to them and they are making it very clear by using what they can to disrail and misdirect.

Every time I have asked them to get back to the subject I get stories about eye bullets in Tunisia and such-like. It's a shame I can't stop them from posting on my topics completely (they are few and far between), but I am the sort of person, who, just for the devilry of it might start to post more and more topics about things they hate and I support just to piss them off and make them work harder.
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:iconpsyopjunkie:
psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
So what happens next?

Israeli propaganda chief Mark Regev’s wise-crack that the UN vote was just “negative political theatre” will, one hopes, come back and bite him in the ass. The Palestinians are now in a position to re-frame the situation, to insist on justice before any peace deals and to require that things are done in the right order. Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, suggests this could be the start of a ‘Legal Intifada’ by Palestine against Israel.

Why should Palestinians have to negotiate over Israel’s unlawful acts and haggle for their property in rigged talks when there’s proper recourse to the law? Israel’s pimps and hirelings are now exposed. No wonder the Zionist regime and its spin-masters are in such a flap.

Palestine might join the International Criminal Court and file complaints against Israel’s suspected war criminals, its illegal settlements and its settlers, who also are committing war crimes. Palestine could also sue Israel and break the illegal siege of Gaza. Palestine could join the Law of the Sea Convention and properly secure its right to Gaza’s huge marine gas field. It might also take action to gain, among other things, sovereign control of its own airspace, airwaves and frequency spectrum.

The Palestinians might declare their own borders on internationally recognized pre-1967 lines. Israel’s squatters, if they stayed, would automatically become Palestinian citizens – and serves them right.


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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks for that link. A very interesting read and, as an aside, on that same page, a reminder that it is not just arabs, as Israeli supporters would have one believe, that are impacted by Israel's actions, but Palestinian christians as well.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
from [link]
Israel responded strongly and swiftly. The following day, it said it would start drawing up plans to build thousands of settlement homes, including the first-ever development on a crucial corridor east of Jerusalem.

Although the project is likely years away, if it happens at all, the announcement struck a defiant tone.

Building in the area, known as E1, would sever the link between the West Bank and east Jerusalem, the sector of the holy city the Palestinians claim for a future capital, and cut off the northern part of the West Bank form its southern flank. The Palestinians claim such a scenario would essentially kill any hope for the creation of a viable state.

The U.S., Britain, France and other European states all denounced the plan.

On Sunday, the Israeli government delivered another blow, saying it would withhold more than $100 million in funds it transfers to the Palestinians each month.

Instead, it said the money – taxes and customs duties that Israel collects on behalf of the Palestinians – would be used to pay off its debts to Israeli companies, including $200 million owed to the state-run Israel Electric Corp., government officials said.

The monthly transfers are crucial for the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority to pay salaries to its tens of thousands of civil servants and security forces. Israel has taken similar measures in the past before eventually releasing the money.

At the weekly meeting of his Cabinet, Netanyahu said the Palestinian statehood campaign was a "gross violation" of past agreements calling for disputes to be resolved through negotiations.

"Accordingly, the government of Israel rejects the U.N General Assembly decision," he told his Cabinet on Sunday. He also pledged to continue building settlements.
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
great, divide and conquor is not working so well right now. Israel's solution ....divide even more.
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Filanwizard Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It does not matter, the only vision Israel has for Palistine is giving them the same treatment that Dresden Germany got in WW2. Their building of more illegal settlements proves they have no intentions of wanting peace and in fact want to encourage rocket attacks so they can now declare war.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
" in fact want to encourage rocket attacks so they can now declare war."

A gloomy thought but in my dark hours I sometimes think the same thing.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
Wait, there's a huge hole in your theory... didn't Israel forcefully remove settlements from Gaza which only encouraged the rocket lobbing? (Hint: Yes [link] )
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
sorry to respond here but the person I blocked (Vel-drawings)insists on posting off-topic where they are not welcomed.

I wish they would stay on topic and stop posting stupid posts (that belong on one of your threads where you guys can kiss each other's ass all you want).
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Some comments, like the one I responded to, make extremely offensive claims and do require the record being set straight. I'll try to stay on topic -- but I have seen you sway from topic to make ad hominem as well.
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Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly... Sorry I answer here... I was blocked by the original poster of this topic.
And about the issue of Jerusalem.... Jerusalem Is part of Israel, West and East Jerusalem is A Jordan made up thing...
So Israel doesn't need to ask anybody if he can construct in there, like Germany doesn't need to ask if they need to construct in Berlin.
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:iconvel-drawings:
Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You posted about this topic that's all I have to say.
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
off topic ...go post on your own threads about evil arabs and leave this one for speculation about the future now that Palestine has statehood in the eyes of the UN General Assembly.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Where did I write about "evil Arabs"? Never. There is extremism in the Arab world that derives from how they put the Arab-Israeli conflict in mythological terms and proportions. That doesn't mean I treat Arabs in the same manner the Arab world treats their internal conflict with the idea of Jewish statehood.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope you are wrong but I suspect you might be right. The situation in the middle east is very fluid right now and a small spark might be all that is needed. Egypt is swinging to a less moderate government as I type, Palestine has statehood in the UN, Syria is in meltdown.

Nobody seems to have thought too much about where all of the rockets fired last week from Gaza came from, but if they are being armed from outside then it could get to be a very ugly shitfight.
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Filanwizard Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the Middle East is always going to be a powder keg looking for a spark. And when it finds that spark lets just hope the keg is not stuck in the rocket motor of a nuclear missile.
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the-ketchup-kommando Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I highly doubt it will make a bit of difference. The Israeli will continue to repress the Palestinians, then there will come a wave a retaliation from the Palestinians, then another uneasy "cease" fire and the cycle will start again. And whats more, the citizens, both Palestinian and Israeli, will continue to suffer for it.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
its such a damn tragedy. If they do share a god, he/she/it must be crying right now.
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the-ketchup-kommando Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed. And seeing as both Muslim and Jewish scriptures claim similar origins, going back to Abraham and his sons Ishmael and Isaac, I think they would. And he/she/it/stop sign/dog/yellow/whatever God would be would be sitting up there saying, "The fuck you two?! The fuck?!"
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It seems like the trolls can't allow any discussion about the future without spouting the same shite, and trying to disrail and mis-direct this topic, so I am going to ask people again to just stick to the topic question -

What is your opinion on how this will aid or impede the Peace process that must move forward?

There is nothing threatening about this question. It is very simple and offers no built-in bias, so there is no need to attack the thread or those who post in it. All I want to hear is what folk think will happen in the future, and not see childish off-topic rantings that we have read in so many other threads that discuss the Israel / Palestine situation.

And before someone comes along crowing that I have posted off-topic in my own thread ...yes I have. I am not expert at ignoring derailment or mis-direction, but I eventually work it out. It is a tactic to destroy productive discussion and those who use it show how cowardly they are that they cannot even let a question like 'what now?' be posted in case someone has some good ideas that might sway people's opinions.
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Novuso Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Same old shit has been going on for a very long time. Here is 6000 year history of Palestine/Israel in 3 minutes: [link] (don't look if you don't understand satire) .
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:iconvel-drawings:
Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's the history of every country in the world ... oh yeah this is out of topic sorry
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, that's very sad in a way. The past hasn't worked as your video illustrates.

I'm more interested in the future and want to be optimistic.
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defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Ok, so gaza is a state now? Great. The next missile strike from them is now an official act of war allowing Isreal to invade and conquer the gaza strip. To throw the people living in the gaza strip out of Isreal (because gaza will be no more and uninhabitable... So for humanitarian reasons, the sure icing people must be relocated.)

Great job Palestine.

With greater power, comes greater responsibility. The Palestinians must now form a army and police force (drafting if they must) and hunt down Hamas and other terrorist and kill them.

Failing to do this would and should be seen as an act of war by palestine against Isreal.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, and ..."so gaza is a state now?"

No, Palestine is a state now.
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defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
And where exactly is palestin? Because you are a camedian if you think the UN will get Isreal to give up land on terms other than their own.
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
they do not have to give any up, just move out of the territories they occupied after the 1967 war. The West Bank belonged to Jordan, they won a war with Jordan and occupied the territory but the border had been set legally with the armistice in 1949. It gives Israel no legal claim to own the land. Just like Germany had no legal claim to lands they occupied during WW2, just because they occupied them. They eventually were forced to give them up, or back.
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