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Your top 10 Presidents. List 'em!

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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I'm bored and the world of politics has become relatively quiet as of late, so I want to gauge people's opinions on the top 10 Presidents to reside over the US, and why.

1. FDR: Tackled the shit out of Nazis, created social security, saved the country from Depression.

2. Honest Abe: Kept the country together (sort of...) during a tumultuous civil war. Managed to get the 13th Amendment passed.

3. JFK: Had a positive economic turn-out. Eased tensions between the US and Russia following the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kick started the space race. Supported racial integration. First Catholic President (and Irish!). Got shot in the head ON FUCKING TV (bad ass dude). Was a playa.

4. Ronald Reagan: Shocking when coming from a Democrat, eh? Supply-side economics, Iran-Contra, and the gargantuan deficits aside, Ronald Reagan successfully saved the economy, Chrysler, social security, and granted amnesty to as much 3 million illegal immigrants.

5. LBJ: For some reason considered unpopular by pubs? I s'pose they think the Civil Rights and Voters Right Act was best left alone...Iono. Doesn't make sense to me. I think LBJ, I think the President who successfully ended racial segregation.

6. Bill Clinton: He got a blow job. 'nuff said. Also, he balanced the budget, oversaw prosperous economic growth, oversaw the ceasefire in Bosnia, Omnibus Act, welfare reform! Loves fast food, now a vegan, plays Jazz music, and the first black President of the US.

7. Barack Obama: The first actual black President of the US with an undeniable record of saving the automobile industry, ending economic recession, and curbing depression (the economy was in free fall when he came into office, and now it's not. This is undeniable). Healthcare reform, ending the costly war in Iraq, overseeing the killing of Osama bin Laden, Wall St. reform, Stimulus Package, Pell Grant expansion, and a credit card bill of rights. As a friend put it, "Only a Democrat could prevent a Depression, end a war, capture and kill Osama bin Laden, double the Dow ó and then hear constantly that he canít run on his record. "

8. George W. Bush: JUST KIDDING LOL

8. Teddy Roosevelt: Attempted to curb corporate powers, oversaw union disagreements which ultimately benefited the unions, and nobel peace prize winner.

9. Richard Nixon: I know I'm going to get some heat for putting a dog-hating, anti-hippie criminal on this list, but he established the EPA, ended the Vietnam War, opened diplomatic relations with China, and was the first President to support healthcare reform.

10. Ike: I'm measuring his Presidency and not his role as general in WW2. Suez summit, expanded social security, created the interstate highway system. I'm out of off-hand knowledge of him...


Anyway, this was a fun way to consume a good 15 minutes of my time.
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
George Washington
LBJ
John F Kennedy
Lincoln
Eisenhower
Jimmy Carter
Thomas Jefferson
Sally Ducaucus
John Tyler
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Nice list for the most part (Sally Ducaucus lol). Why is Carter on there though?
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Because he helped the poor.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
How so? All I know from Carter is that he mismanaged a recovery and plunged the country into a recession at home, and mishandled the Iranian Hostage Crisis abroad.
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Oh I see. I must have confused him with someone else?
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
LBJ did a lot to help the poor (Medicaid comes to mind). Maybe him?
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah him. I must have got the Jimmy Carter confused with the episode of King of the Hill when he helped habitat for humanity. I don't know. He just always had a nice smile on his face.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
O_________________O

...You get your politics from King of the Hill? You know Arlen is a fictitious city, right? It's loosely based on Dallas suburbs.
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Sexy-Cowboy-Predator Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
My favorite presidents (I dont know enough about 10 different presidents, so these are the ones I do know about)

Andrew Jackson: The only president to pay off theNational Debt, destroyed the National Bank, fought to democratize federal office holding, suggesting it should be rotational, and was strong beliver in tarriffs.

James K. Polk: The 3rd term of Andrew Jackson really, but he was able to accomplish almost every single thing he set out to do during one single term. He didnt make excuses and just got shit done.

Thomas Jefferson: An iron-clad proponent of invidual freedoms and liberty. Wrote the Declaration of Independance. Cut taxes, cut the budget, and reduced national debt. Opened up the interior though the Louisiana Purchase and the Corps of Discovery.
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kkart Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Professional Photographer
Not in any specific order for best

Clinton
Reagan
Obama
FDR
JFK
Roosevelt
Madison
Lincoln
Arthur
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anamusingalias Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Teddy R. x 10
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Why-did-Kenji-die Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
For saving the automobile market all he had to do was pump in tax dollars to companies that made terrible decisions. all hail obama the wise one
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Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. FDR
5. Eisenhower
6. Ulysess S Grant
7. Bill Clinton
8. James Monroe
9. JFK
10. William Howard Taft
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Are you just listing them in order of name recognition?
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Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Totally. -_-
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
1.) Nixon. Recognized China, ended the Vietnam War. formed the basis of peace that was capitalized on by later Presidents in ending the cold war.

2.) Clinton. True liberal.

3.) Lincoln. 'Nuff said.

4.) Reagan. Did what he needed to.

5.) Truman. Had the guts to do what he wanted.

Others are mostly the same. Probably my pick of 5 would be Wilson, Eisenhower, FDR, Truman, and Kennedy.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
You listed Truman twice.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
o.O opps.

Oh well, looks like I don't really have a 10th favourite president.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
OOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Why? Because he's black? That'd be racist.

There hasn't been enough time for me to judge his decisions. Maybe he'll be on my list in 20 years time. He's done a lot of good things, but you can't compare the most powerful man in the world to someone who does nothing.

By the way, it's very easy to pull an economy out of recession. Just spend more money, it's economic theory that has been time-tested for about 300 years, since Adam Smith and Thomas and Malthus. Doing it cheaply is a totally different story.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Black is gangsta. What is it with YOU PEOPLE and racism!?
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
What does race have to do with being a good person?
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Everyone not white is good in my eyes. 'Cept for the fuckin' Vietnamese...Fucking Viets...
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zeruch Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
Washington
Lincoln
T. Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Jefferson
Madison
FDR
Obama
Truman
Clinton
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Novuso Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
I like the old school presidents over the modern day politicians.

1. George Washington - It is because of him the United States even exists and I am not talking about what he during the war. Many wanted him to be king but he declined, the states would not accept Federalism if Washington was not going to lead it. He didn't event want to be President but did so out of Patriotic duty. He created the cabinet secretary system, ordered the construction of a new Capital City on the Potomac near his home. Washington was paid $25,000 for his efforts but he returned the money to congress and was the only President to do so.

2. Thomas Jefferson - Was well know before being President for his work in the Revolution including writing the declaration of independence. His Presidency is most know for Louisiana Purchase and Luis and Clark expedition which doubled the side of US territory at a cost of only 5 cents a square mile. He also fought the Barbary pirates established a tax system based on customs imports and tariffs and worked to expand representative democracy. Died of 4th of July 1826.

3. James Madison - Before his Presidency he wrote most of the constitution came up with the grand compromise of creating a house and senate legislature. He stood up for American rights on the high seas which brought America into the war of 1812. The tiny US survived a massive onslaught from the British Empire and was able to negotiate a lasting peace. After the war the US quickly recovered and began an age of optimism called the Era of Good Feelings. He cut taxes and ran a budget surplus from most of his Presidency.

4. John Adams - Before his Presidency he played a crucial role in advocating separation from Britain during the Revolutionary war. During his Presidency he built up the Navy and was famous for saying "millions for defense but not a penny for appeasement." He opened up trade with Europe and elsewhere set the nations first immigration policy much of which is still followed to this day as the naturalization process. It is because of John Adams that America became a nation of immigrants and not just former English colonists. Immigrations allowed for rapid US population expansion. Died on 4th of July 1826.

5. James Monroe - Before his Presidency he played a role getting France to enter the Revolutionary war and served as Ambassador to France for many years. His Presidency is most well known for the Monroe doctrine that expanded US sphere of influence to all of North and South America by supporting independence revolutions on other European colonies in the Americas. Most of these revolutions were successful leading to Europeans retreating from Imperialism on the North and South American continents. Died 4th of July 1831. Many believed this to be divinely inspired death.

6. Andrew Jackson - Before his Presidency he was US General who defeated the British decisively at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815. During his Presidency he is most well know for expanding voting rights to non-land owning citizens and taking on the Banks. His destruction of the Bank of the United States held off banking imperialism in the US for the next 70 years. His final words were "I killed the bank."

7. Abraham Lincoln - Most known for preserving the Union during the civil war and emancipating the slaves. He also created the US green back which was one of the first debt free currencies. It paid for the civil war without going into debt.

8. John F. Kennedy - Last "real" American President who stood up against the military industrial complex. The Vietnam war was expanded the very day he was assassinated. He wanted to revive the Greenback and silver certificates to pay off WWII debt but his plan was canned after he was assassinated. His Moon shot goal was his most long lasting achievement.

9. Teddy Roosevelt - Rough rider and Colonel in the Spanish American war. Created the park system and took on the industrial trusts and robber barons. Probably the last president to not be in the pocket of big business.

10. None - The rest either did nothing worth mentioning or were bad men being crooks and liars. Presidents 1-9 where true statesmen. Today we just have politicians.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I don't even know 10 presidents :lol: I mean, if I was given a list of names, I'd probably be able to say which ones have been presidents, but off the top of my head? Nah. No way.
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rockstar1009 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Don't feel bad - a lot of US citizens don't know who was and wasn't a president. For instance, many believe Ben Franklin and Alexander Hamilton were POTUS since they appear on our money. Just because money is known as "Dead Presidents" doesn't make it true. :lol:
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SarahReneeCreations Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Top 5
Teddy Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
George Washington
Ronald Reagan
William Taft

Bottom 5
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Roosevelt
Bill Clinton
Barack Obama
John F. Kennedy
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Nice list. Would have had Roosevelt a lot higher, Regan and Clinton slightly lower. I don't know if LBJ, Ike, Nixon, or Obama would have made my top 10 or not. Still, a pretty good job!
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Obama and LBJ definitely. Wasn't so sure on Richard Nixon or Ike, but I had to fill two spaces, and god knows I wasn't throwing Carter in there. Ike helped expand national trade and travel (economically great). Nixon's stint wasn't so bad, it's just overshadowed by Watergate. I'm actually amazed I threw Reagan so high up there considering the high deficits (though it'd be disingenuous to let deficits dictate a Presidency when FDR is first on the list). Reagan's got Iran-Contra under his belt, an affair most Republicans seem to forget ever happened.


As for LBJ, people are mostly on about the Vietnam War. I'm concerned about how he forwarded the Great Society, declared war on poverty, expanded social welfare programs, including the creation Medicare and Medicaid, which provided healthcare options for the most vulnerable of society. I'd even go as far as to say creating these programs saved lives, as now preventable illnesses can be caught ahead of time (which is another reason I favor a single payer system).
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Mhm. I haven't done enough research on them to get a really stable opinion on most of those guys. As said, I do like Theodore Roosevelt quite a bit though. =D
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DC4894 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Richard Nixon? Really? He started the (failed) war on drugs, initially escalated the US's involvement in Vietnam, and paved the way for our being screwed over by China.
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AvSkyggene Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
LBJ

Ever hear of this thing called the Vietnam War? And how it started because Mr. Johnson plain-face lied to congress about the "incident" that started it? That's why he's unpopular with lots of people.

Regan's supply-side economics saved the economy

Are you really that stupid? They made things worse.


Jesus, pick up a fucking history book some time kid.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I never said Reagan's supply side economics saved the economy. I said Ronald Reagan saved the economy, which is an undeniable fact when one considers the 10% unemployment during his time, and the market uncertainty. Way to build a strawman.
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AvSkyggene Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Oh because the president has control over the unemployment rate and stock market right? Your sheer ignorance and head-in-ass arrogance continues to amaze me.

The only thing Reagan could do was implement his supply-side economics. The president can't do anything with legislation until congress sends him a bill to sign.

Have you even finished middle-school social studies?
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Oh because the president has control over the unemployment rate and stock market right?
Yes and no. The President and Congress.

Your sheer ignorance and head-in-ass arrogance continues to amaze me.
Right back at ya bro.

Have you even finished middle-school social studies?
Cute. You were talking about head-in-ass arrogance, weren't you? Pot kettle black.
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AvSkyggene Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
So your only refute is "I'm rubber and you're glue"?

Finish high school and then come back to this forum so you actually know a few things about U.S. government. Because right now you're just embarrassing yourself.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I'm not the one building strawmen. You're the one trying to make up imaginary issues based on non existent statements.
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AvSkyggene Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Bringing up the very real fact that the executive branch has zero power to directly influence the unemployment rate and stock market is not a strawman.

Go to school. And stay awake during it.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I never said that the Executive had the power to influence unemployment or stock market. To say they have zero is detached from reality when one considers they sign bills into law. That point aside, I don't know what point you're trying to make. Your original statement was that "Reagan's supply side economics saved the economy". I didn't say that. You said that. I said Reagan saved the economy. I look to things such as the Tax Reform Act as evidence of this. However, times have changed, and supply-side economics don't work. I never said they do. You said that. That's building strawmen. Your trolling is ineffective and childish. Don't put words in my mouth and reread what I said.
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meanus Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
1 Washington...incredible man, grew his own reefer too
2 Lincoln...shitloads of people died, I mean literally over a million! But he actually created the Union
3 Calvin Coolidge...incredibly smart dude, made American rich as fuck
4 Theo Roosevelt...a true liberal and progressive, not some twenty year old communist tool
5 Jefferson...loved his slaves (literally) but he was pretty smart
6 Monroe...hardcore...created the Monroe doctrine which was cool
7 Grant...for what he did in two wars, not so much as president
8 George Armstrong Custer...ok, he wasn't ever president but he got shot with about a thousand arrows which is kinda cool in a 300 kind of way...and it should
count for something
9 Hillary Clinton...she did a good job in the eight years she was in the white house
10 Obama...totally shitty but where he is taking us will soon destroy the entire concept of socialism in this Nation and it will never be able to raise its ugly head again
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Novuso Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
8. I know you are just trolling with the rest but Custer was not shot with arrows. The Sioux nation was using Winchester repeating rifles while Custer's troops were using single shot Smithfield rifles. He was out classed and out gunned by the Sioux. Reality is Custer got his ass pumped full of lead.
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meanus Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
he most likely blew his own brains out
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Best Presidents:
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. George Washington
3. Calvin Coolidge
4. Martin Van Buren
5. Warren Harding
6. Ronald Reagan
7. Abraham Lincoln
8. Ulysses S. Grant
9. Grover Cleveland
10. John F. Kennedy

Worst Presidents:
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Barack Obama
3. Woodrow Wilson
4. James Buchanan
5. Jimmy Carter
6. Lyndon B. Johnson
7. William McKinley
8. Andrew Jackson
9. Herbert Hoover
10. Richard Nixon
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1 - 10 Rutherford B. Hayes

epic beard trumps all. the end.
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raidpirate52 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
I don't know about my own top 10, but I'll tackle yours.

I'd personally swap Lincoln and FDR. FDR was there for 16 years and there was still a lot of problems when he left and he put in that chicken brain Harry Truman afterwards.

JFK is way overrated. He completely botched the Bay of Pigs Invasion and secretly removed missiles in Turkey while over praising himself of getting the missiles out of Cuba. If he wasn't assassinated he would have been like Jimmy Carter. One and done.

I agree with Reagan but I'm not sure if I'd put him top 4.

People want to criticize Bush for the Iraq and Terror Wars when LBJ lied about the Gulf of Tonkin that put us in Vietnam that killed 59,000 Americans. He should be ranked last no question.

Bill Clinton was a right time right place President (same with Obama). Facing national crisis, people become chickens with heads cut off and think that voting for the incumbent (in these cases, Democrat party) without even knowing who is who. Clinton really didn't do anything spectacular. He actually did get rid of some Welfare, good for him.

I'm surprised (no...seriously) that you put Teddy Roosevelt behind Obama AND LBJ. Really?

I think I would put Nixon where you have Reagan.
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zodiacgal Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Dayum, nice list!
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
:D
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AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012   Writer
1) Martti Ahtisaari - Nobel Peace Prize winner, brokered peace in Indonesia, Bosnia, Namibia, Kosovo, and spent the best part of his Presidency traveling around Finland meeting and talking with ordinary people.

2) Hipólito Yrigoyen - Brought full democracy, education, employment laws, and prosperity to Argentina, and was known as the 'father of the poor'. Was ousted in a coup in 1930 by a right-wing general sponsored by Exxon.

3) Lula Da Silva - Brought immense prosperity and social welfare to Brazil. All round good egg.

4) Nelson Mandela - Nobel Peace Prize winner, lisper, and co-dismantler of Aparteid.

5) Theodor Heuss - Oversaw the recovery of West Germany from World War 2, and was an all round nice guy.

6) Mary Robinson - Brought about equal treatment for gay people in Ireland, and at one time had an approval rating of 93%.

7) Milan Kučan - Architect of Slovenian independence and post-independence prosperity.

8) Valéry Giscard d'Estaing - Liberalised France, and founded G8.

9) Joaquim Chissano - Fought for the freedom of Mozambique from Portuguese rule, and oversaw recovery from a 15 year civil war.

10) Václav Havel - Dissident against communist rule in Czechoslovakia, and then oversaw the peaceful secession of Slovakia from the Czech Republic.

Oh, I'm sorry did you mean US Presidents. Yeah, well none of them would get in this list anyway.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
You forgot Thomas Jefferson, who founded the concept of a natural right to liberty.
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