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So the US was obviously ready to (re-)elect a black president. What about a (blank) president?

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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
...a female president? Yes. Or, I should hope so, what with Angela Merkel and other prominent female leaders around the world. Hillary is probably the only American with the national profile right now, but there are others gaining more visibility.
...a gay president? Soon. My teenage kids and their friends talk about their LGBT friends like it's no big deal...pretty normal in fact. And although they have both Obama and Romney supporters among their friends, everyone is socially liberal. It's in the near future.
...a Jewish president? Yes. Hey, we almost elected a Mormon.
...an atheist president? Sadly, no. Much of this country is still too religious and suspicious of an "intellectual elite" to fully trust an atheist.
...a Muslim president? Not even close. Oh, right, we already have a Muslim president :) (if you believe Obama is a Muslim, please don't reply).

Thoughts? Let's keep it respectful and thoughtful please. Thanks.
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DavidScript Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
An actual black president :B
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Trorbes Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
What is 'actual black'? Do you mean someone who speaks like a rapper and blings out Air Force One? Or do you mean someone who isn't mixed-race, as if Americans actually cared about the difference?
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DavidScript Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The second one, although the first one does sound interesting... :idea:
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'll paste in the best quote in this entire forum thread (it's way down at the bottom) because it directly addresses this:
"[quote]Obama is not actually black. He is a mixed raced president and only half black[quote]

That is a "no true scotsman" fallacy. With the exception of very few first generation immigrants from Africa (most of them would not even qualify), there are no blacks in the US according to your definition. DNA tests of the African-American population have found that virtually all of them have European ancestry among their parentage. I have even seen examples of people who had no idea they had any European ancestors, only to find that they are technically more than 50% European by descent. This is due to a number of factors in the African-American experience, including the raping of African slaves by white slave owners, and the resulting children.

The worse fallacy is to ignore the reality of the American experience for non-whites. The reality is that no one stops to ask you what percentage of your ancestors were white. No one stops to ask you if you have a white parent. If your skin is at all darker, you are treated as black. Not half black. Not quarter black. Not 3/4ths black. Black.

To put it in more scientific terms, the American racial experience has been one of phenotype, not genotype."
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DavidScript Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Impressive explanation, even though I was being facetious :O
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, that's good. You just never know...

Now I know what a phenotype is :)
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MagusTheLofty Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
I'd vote for a gay, Jewish, female president if I agreed with their positions.
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Creamstar Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
How about an ugly president? Or one with facial hair?
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
There you go! Points for the most seemingly-inocuous-but-actually-very-real hurdle to clear in the matter of becoming president. But of course, I wouldn't call either Nixon or Carter good-looking men. And there was that guy Lincoln who had a beard I believe...
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Creamstar Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
Lincoln did not have to deal with a mess media of pictures and videos that presidents do today. Today, a beard would be perceived as burly, perhaps not as clean as a shaven face.

Nixon was indeed a bit ugly, but now with color TVs and even larger media he might have a tougher time today. Carter at least had a smile to use. A lot of ignorant voters today consider things like looks.
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