South Korean Laws concerning "online child pornography"
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I first heard about this on Tumblr: [link]
I thought South Korea were supposed to be GOOD GUYS, and they pull this? Do we have to boycott everything South Korea makes in order to stop the suppression of freedom of expression?
I may not be Korean, or a professional artist, but even I'm scared of this.
Your thoughts?
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I first heard about this on Tumblr: [link]
I thought South Korea were supposed to be GOOD GUYS, and they pull this? Do we have to boycott everything South Korea makes in order to stop the suppression of freedom of expression?
I may not be Korean, or a professional artist, but even I'm scared of this.
Your thoughts?
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banning of drawings is senseless and reprehensible. It solves no problems, and protects society none. Its fear and paranoia, that will lead to violation of rights of people who entirely harmless and innocent.
Man, it's a good thing I speak and read flawless Korean, otherwise linking to two completely Korean websites would be embarrassing. I'm kidding, I didn't get a word of this. I'm double kidding.
The translation makes it look like the law is overreaching and pretty overzealous, but it's not exactly enough to make me shout "I thought South Korea were the GOOD GUYS compared to North Korea". North Korea, just so you remember, is the country whose national sports are Syncopated Marching and the 100 Meter Starve.
Whatever, this whole thing is idiotic. Again.
The translation makes it look like the law is overreaching and pretty overzealous, but it's not exactly enough to make me shout "I thought South Korea were the GOOD GUYS compared to North Korea". North Korea, just so you remember, is the country whose national sports are Syncopated Marching and the 100 Meter Starve.
Whatever, this whole thing is idiotic. Again.
Isn't child pornography illegal ?!
Yeah, but the problem is that the law is so vaguely written that if they THINK it's even "remotely" child porn, innocent people could go to JAIL over it.
the problem with outlawing drawn porn is that cartoons don't have real ages, and it can be very subjective.
having a strong law like child porn, that will carry all sorts of damning results based on subjective critera is questionable at the least, and tyrannical at the worst.
having a strong law like child porn, that will carry all sorts of damning results based on subjective critera is questionable at the least, and tyrannical at the worst.
what kind of child porn are you guys talking about anyway ? the cartoon type or the real type ?
Drawn stuff.
Oh than I guess thats harmless.
Well it's not like we have to deal with rules like that on DA.... Oh yeah. lol
the line ! here's how it goes, there isn't one. when it comes to fanart, the underaged stuff of people in "those poses" isn't considered to be pedo related so if you're caught with animated porn then your sentence is not as bad. although in Thailand you can get the real thing for a few bits of money. so as for South Korea, they are just like any country, they do what they want and outlaw what they consider a threat to them. "we" could boycott what they sell, but since we don't, nor do we boycott other things, I don't see that happening. people are going to do what they want to do, either they getting caught or not. sad but true. in this case the UN is calling it a work in progress to ban it all, some countries even ban "cartoon" porn. a lot use ISP to track what you're doing too. so things are being done, just not as fast if some countries don't comply.
The west seems to stick their nose in other countrys cultures or laws if we disagree with them ! Im not muslim or jewish or catholic or republican or democrat or mormon, etc & I disagree with lots of things like woman wearing hijabs and jehovas witnesses refusing blood transfusions but thats there problem, not mine ! I dont live in South Korea so let them get on with it ! Rather say nothing than get their backs up and they end up like North Korea ! LOL
Sometimes it's okay to be a hypocrite and this is one of those times. Sure, artistic expression is extremely important to me. But the number of situations where drawing questionable borderline child pornography is going to make some actual, deep artistic statement that I would honestly value? Extremely low to not at all, right there.
So, every piece of art has to make a "deep artistic statement" or it should just be banned? Should we ban all art that you personally don't "honestly value"?
Besides, s korea is not just banning child pornography, they're banning pornography, period. Not to mention that the ban of possession of child pornography does nothing to combat child abuse, and in fact just makes the problem worse.
Besides, s korea is not just banning child pornography, they're banning pornography, period. Not to mention that the ban of possession of child pornography does nothing to combat child abuse, and in fact just makes the problem worse.
Putting words in my mouth, you. Never said that.
This thread wasn't about other laws. This is about child pornography. And I'd really appreciate some sources to back up your claim that banning child porn makes child abuse worse.
This thread wasn't about other laws. This is about child pornography. And I'd really appreciate some sources to back up your claim that banning child porn makes child abuse worse.
>>> Putting words in my mouth, you. Never said that.
I wasn't putting anything in any orifice of yours, check out the surprise noodles in my post and process it again.
>>> I'd really appreciate some sources to back up your claim that banning child porn makes child abuse worse.
That's not what I said, I said the laws that make the possession of child pornography illegal make the problem of child abuse worse. And it's fairly simple if you think about it.
Let's say you're a housewife and your husband is abusing your children. You want to gather evidence to accuse your husband of abuse, so you videotape him abusing your children. Then you take the video to the police, you know what happens? You get charged for possession of child pornography, because its possession is illegal in all and any circumstances, and since you're now a registered sex offender, your children will be taken away from you.
Or: a 15-year old girl takes nude pictures of herself and puts them up on her facespace. Now she gets accused of possession of child pornography, and probably distribution too, because she is in possession of nude pictures of a 15-year old, never mind that the 15-year old happens to be herself. Her life is ruined, she's a registered sex offender for the rest of her life.
Production and sale of child porn should be illegal, not possession of it. Criminalizing possession only harms children by making the true abusers harder to catch.
I wasn't putting anything in any orifice of yours, check out the surprise noodles in my post and process it again.
>>> I'd really appreciate some sources to back up your claim that banning child porn makes child abuse worse.
That's not what I said, I said the laws that make the possession of child pornography illegal make the problem of child abuse worse. And it's fairly simple if you think about it.
Let's say you're a housewife and your husband is abusing your children. You want to gather evidence to accuse your husband of abuse, so you videotape him abusing your children. Then you take the video to the police, you know what happens? You get charged for possession of child pornography, because its possession is illegal in all and any circumstances, and since you're now a registered sex offender, your children will be taken away from you.
Or: a 15-year old girl takes nude pictures of herself and puts them up on her facespace. Now she gets accused of possession of child pornography, and probably distribution too, because she is in possession of nude pictures of a 15-year old, never mind that the 15-year old happens to be herself. Her life is ruined, she's a registered sex offender for the rest of her life.
Production and sale of child porn should be illegal, not possession of it. Criminalizing possession only harms children by making the true abusers harder to catch.
The... surprise noodles?
You still have not provided actual sources for these claims.
I would love to know of any instance where a mother was arrested for child pornography because she videotaped her husband sexually abusing her children. That entire scenario is so far fetched, if it really happened I would really like to read it because that would be awful. But I'm a little confused why any good mom would sit back and film.
I am aware of your second example though, no need to provide evidence of it. Oh, it's silly that you as a fifteen year old girl could be charged for possession of porn of yourself. But here at least, where we already have laws like that of South Korea in effect, those charges would not be part of your permanent record for life. They would not follow you to your adult years, even. And they stand to prevent kids from being silly with nudes of themselves. My sister just earlier this week did a two-day seminar on exactly this with teenage girls at my old high school and explaining that law to them really opened their eyes.
Of course I agree that production and sale of child porn should be illegal. But possession too. I fail to see how it makes the abusers harder to catch when this is how they can track child porn to it's source.
You still have not provided actual sources for these claims.
I would love to know of any instance where a mother was arrested for child pornography because she videotaped her husband sexually abusing her children. That entire scenario is so far fetched, if it really happened I would really like to read it because that would be awful. But I'm a little confused why any good mom would sit back and film.
I am aware of your second example though, no need to provide evidence of it. Oh, it's silly that you as a fifteen year old girl could be charged for possession of porn of yourself. But here at least, where we already have laws like that of South Korea in effect, those charges would not be part of your permanent record for life. They would not follow you to your adult years, even. And they stand to prevent kids from being silly with nudes of themselves. My sister just earlier this week did a two-day seminar on exactly this with teenage girls at my old high school and explaining that law to them really opened their eyes.
Of course I agree that production and sale of child porn should be illegal. But possession too. I fail to see how it makes the abusers harder to catch when this is how they can track child porn to it's source.
>>> I would love to know of any instance where a mother was arrested for child pornography because she videotaped her husband sexually abusing her children.
Well, there is one case where the mother was videotaping her kids to document their behaviour, not actual abuse or sex acts, but simply her children playing with each other in overly sexual ways, which she intended to use as evidence to show that her husband was abusing her children.
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The link is in swedish, but I'm sure google translate will help you. What happened was that she got convicted for possession of child porn and her husband who is possibly a child abuser got full custody.
>>> And they stand to prevent kids from being silly with nudes of themselves.
Oh well that's all fine then. I guess it's one way to teach children that sexuality is evil and they should live their entire lives being ashamed of their own sexuality - just slap them with jail sentences if they even dare to see themselves as sexual beings.
In what reality does it make sense that the laws that are supposed to protect children are making those same children into fucking CRIMINALS????
>>> Of course I agree that production and sale of child porn should be illegal. But possession too. I fail to see how it makes the abusers harder to catch when this is how they can track child porn to it's source.
How exactly does the criminalization of possession make it easier to track the source of child porn? Care to back that up with some sources?
And then there's situations where you click on an unknown link, and you end up on a site full of child porn. Congratulations, you are now a criminal and a sex offender!
Well, there is one case where the mother was videotaping her kids to document their behaviour, not actual abuse or sex acts, but simply her children playing with each other in overly sexual ways, which she intended to use as evidence to show that her husband was abusing her children.
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The link is in swedish, but I'm sure google translate will help you. What happened was that she got convicted for possession of child porn and her husband who is possibly a child abuser got full custody.
>>> And they stand to prevent kids from being silly with nudes of themselves.
Oh well that's all fine then. I guess it's one way to teach children that sexuality is evil and they should live their entire lives being ashamed of their own sexuality - just slap them with jail sentences if they even dare to see themselves as sexual beings.
In what reality does it make sense that the laws that are supposed to protect children are making those same children into fucking CRIMINALS????
>>> Of course I agree that production and sale of child porn should be illegal. But possession too. I fail to see how it makes the abusers harder to catch when this is how they can track child porn to it's source.
How exactly does the criminalization of possession make it easier to track the source of child porn? Care to back that up with some sources?
And then there's situations where you click on an unknown link, and you end up on a site full of child porn. Congratulations, you are now a criminal and a sex offender!
I don't really get how children on tape acting sexual can be used as legal evidence of child abuse. I can, however, understand why neither parent should be trusted with custody.
You are exaggerating the law here. This isn't something that will follow them their whole lives, like taking nudes and them getting on the internet would. Why are you so keen on children exposing themselves and children "seeing themselves as sexual beings"? That's disgusting.
Can you show me evidence of someone who was arrested for being on the home page of a child pornography site once, ever, for a split second without browsing?
I've been using the internet for over a decade like a lot of people here. A lot of times I've hung out in the underbelly of the internet. I've clicked a lot of horrible links.
Never child pornsites.
But I've probably seen a lot of teenagers expose themselves when I was a teenager too. And yet look at me, living in a country where that is illegal, and I am not in jail. They're not making these laws to arrest everyone who browses the internet.
You are exaggerating the law here. This isn't something that will follow them their whole lives, like taking nudes and them getting on the internet would. Why are you so keen on children exposing themselves and children "seeing themselves as sexual beings"? That's disgusting.
Can you show me evidence of someone who was arrested for being on the home page of a child pornography site once, ever, for a split second without browsing?
I've been using the internet for over a decade like a lot of people here. A lot of times I've hung out in the underbelly of the internet. I've clicked a lot of horrible links.
Never child pornsites.
But I've probably seen a lot of teenagers expose themselves when I was a teenager too. And yet look at me, living in a country where that is illegal, and I am not in jail. They're not making these laws to arrest everyone who browses the internet.
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I have to say.. Finally we get a stop for this loli crap and feminine boys / younger people in lingerie -_- seen doing this and that.
>>> I thought South Korea were supposed to be GOOD GUYS,
Since when?
South korea has long been a totalitarian society. They made away with internet anonymity long ago - no one can write or publish anything online or use any kind of online services without identifying themselves, each citizen has a personal account they are required to use for all online activity.
This new suppression of freedom of expression is just par for the course for them. Once you start taking away basic human rights in the name of "protection" it's a slippery slope to fascism.
The really scary thing is though, there are people in EU and US governments who want to do basically the same thing... [link]
Since when?
South korea has long been a totalitarian society. They made away with internet anonymity long ago - no one can write or publish anything online or use any kind of online services without identifying themselves, each citizen has a personal account they are required to use for all online activity.
This new suppression of freedom of expression is just par for the course for them. Once you start taking away basic human rights in the name of "protection" it's a slippery slope to fascism.
The really scary thing is though, there are people in EU and US governments who want to do basically the same thing... [link]
Also, if South Korea is also a disgustingly horrible country, then what the heck should I do?
Do I have to boycott anything and everything that comes from South Korea in order to protest everything the S. Korean government does?
Such as, say, electronics companies like LG or Samsung, cars like Kia or Hyundai, or even stuff like Gangnam Style or K-pop? Heck, should I boycott Tae-Kwon-Do as well?
Do I have to boycott anything and everything that comes from South Korea in order to protest everything the S. Korean government does?
Such as, say, electronics companies like LG or Samsung, cars like Kia or Hyundai, or even stuff like Gangnam Style or K-pop? Heck, should I boycott Tae-Kwon-Do as well?
Why would you protest Tae Kwon Do? First of all, it's probably taught to you by Americans who were in turn probably trained mostly by other Americans.
You know what comes from South Korea and involves a ton of art? Cartoons and anime. Rough Draft Korea, for example, worked on Futurama, the Simpsons, Family Guy, Rocko's Modern Life, and Gravity Falls, plus literally dozens and dozens of other shows.
You know what comes from South Korea and involves a ton of art? Cartoons and anime. Rough Draft Korea, for example, worked on Futurama, the Simpsons, Family Guy, Rocko's Modern Life, and Gravity Falls, plus literally dozens and dozens of other shows.
You should boycott your American selves too if you really believe boycotts do jackshit.
No I don't think you should boycott south korean companies because of their government's internal politics. At this point, multinational corporations are pretty much independent entities apart from any country they nominally represent...