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Move over SOPA/CISPA Don't send any bad stuff in email. Now the Gov can read it

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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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It used to protect people's emails and only the Gov' needed a warrant. Now is not the case.

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Thanks to this Democrat

"Got any illegal downloads" Don't even bother asking in some e-mail.

I wonder about HIPPA violations. I mean, if you have health issues and doc sends by e-mail something, they can then read it. Would it effect this as well?
News from Cnet.
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:iconmachine-intellectual:
Machine-Intellectual Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Government surveillance is one thing I cannot stand, it reminds me of 1984. Big brother is watching you, big brother wants your freedom.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Or to well 'censor it'

I mean hate crime. I think hate speech is a crime.

So, if you and your friend send an email about how you hate how your girlfriend was or what not, it could be read and then deemed a crime.
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Machine-Intellectual Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
A slow progression into a police state.
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly.

Creeping inch by inch.

"It's ok if schools track were kids go. Teachers have to know anyhow."

"It's ok if you track your workers, so they know who's on break and who's isn't..."

etc

etc

Untill we all are tagged like cattle.

Next step is TSA booths at bus stops, trains etc.
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd be more worried about those rumors about the UN wanting to tax the Internet...
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:iconangelxxuan:
angelxxuan Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
the government can monitor facebook, emails and phone calls. this isn't new, they been doing this for years now, for once I'm going to state it, Bush started it when the "act of terror" started up, it appears future Presidents have seriously stirred the pot wanting to know more of what their people are talking about and listen out for key words.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah.
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Zigholtul88 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Ehh they're welcome to read any of my e-mails, its not like they're actually do anything about it. If they're gonna come after me for some frivolous reasons then they're only going to be in a world of hurt when I and several other Americans don't comply with them. All these constant threats of martial law and how we're living in a police; if that's the case then it would only be the most logically conclusion to turn away from the system and would be foolish if our government is gonna succeed with all of this without any complications.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
If there is no a petition on whitehouse.gov for President Obama to veto this, I think we should start one.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great Idea.
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picturefragments Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
Look at this fucktard Novuso-
He thinks China is ahead of us, because it's stifling here. ? What the fuck? America is behind China because of imfringements on your "right" to steal software off the internet?

CHINA? The country with the worst human rights record and a surveillance network that makes old USSR jealous, and government control over its entire internet is considered more free than America by you? The country that shoots protestors. Okie dokie.

MOVE TO CHINA ASSHOLE!
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree with you up until I heard.

"He thinks China is ahead of us, because it's stifling here. ? What the fuck? America is behind China because of imfringements on your "right" to steal software off the internet? "
I disapprove of using the word "steal" when it is not being used to deprive anyone else use of said software.

"unauthorized access" is not "stealing" or "piracy"
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Yeah the stealing software off internet thing is derived from the old-saw about SOPA/PIPA which is how all this outcry began.
I forgot that, but there is some overlap. Nevertheless, the bill written by Patrick Leahy is just a bill and not a law. I don't support the thing at all, but I detest the hysterics about it and it engrages me to see anyone daft enough to say China is better than the USA with regard to ANY freedoms.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
"Yeah the stealing software off internet thing is derived from the old-saw about SOPA/PIPA which is how all this outcry began."
No, it did NOT begin with that. This outcry has been in constant motion since the 1990s. If you don't believe me, read the articles in slashdot.org SOPA/PIPA was the first time non-techinical people could be drawn to give a damn about the internet.

We were up in arms about the DMCA back in 1999 too, and sure enough its been abused thoroughly.

This could also go back as far as the 1970s, when the same RIAA/MPAA tried banning home video recording, and congress established "fair use act" allowing it.

" but I detest the hysterics about it and it engrages me to see anyone daft enough to say China is better than the USA with regard to ANY freedoms."

Most of us do not equate the USA with China over SOPA/PIPA.

We just see China is the direction that SOPA and PIPA, CISPA, and the rest of this internet online thought police is going. Now that we are on the subject of China....

Do you know that the official reason that China censors the internet? To stop file sharing and online pornography, both of which are highly illegal in China.

Do you know what is censored by the by the Great Firewall of China?? Everything but online pornography and file sharing, to include political opinions.

Its not hysterics to see how that the RIAA used its weight to sink mp3.com 10 years ago, who's primary business was promoting independent artists, by bypassing the record labels.

Thats what this is about. the RIAA and MPAA have outdated business models, and no growth potential, and are trying to sink industries that do, because they don't want their business models to be made irrelivant. They have been terrible at innovation, and have been using the law to enforce the status quo by force, with friends in government.

They need to go.
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Novuso Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Agreed that the RIAA and MPAA have dinosaur business models. Their mafioso tactics of trying to sink emerging industries are a travesty and prime example of abusive copy write laws.

Solution: Repeal the DMCA and enact a Digital Fair Use Act that protects consumers from RIAA MPAA abuses.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
This article is all opinion and has no facts. No facts that I need- such as- how many and which Senators voted for it. I know- this is deviant so you'll claim I didn't read it as your only way to disagree wit me- okie dokie- tell me how many Sens voted for it?
He can rewrite a bill as many times as he wants. Welcome to the US legislative system- a BILL is not a LAW.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for pointing this out. :) A bill, not law. :phew:
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snuffles11 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconfacepalmplz:
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:iconxternal7:
xTernal7 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's why smart people use PGP and the likes.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
PGP? You can be smart and not know all about a computer XD Varying Intelligences.
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xTernal7 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Invalid argument; that's why Google's for.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not so.

According to Howard Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligence, many people can be smart without knowing all about a computer. There's Quantum Physics out there. Not many people can learn with only text only. Some need touch. Hands-on approach.

Google doesn't answer all questions one has. Sometimes you have to look up the definition of a definition because it was too complex.

X equals 1 gigabyte.
What's a gigabyte
etc etc...

Sometimes google doesn't translate as well.
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xTernal7 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
many people can be smart without knowing all about a computer.
You don't need to know all about computers to use them in a secure way. I doubt that there's more than a million people on this world who have the knowledge to write up and compile a linux kernel — probably there's far less. And I doubt that anyone would be able to count you all 600+ programming languages, much less knowing each and every one of them. You also don't need to know all the protocol, know every file system in existence, how your CPU is connected to your motherboard etc.

You need only to know a few basic rules, and learning them is about as difficult as riding a bike and knowing what you are allowed and which things you must not do to do while riding a bike. Knowing of these few basic rules shouldn't be a problem for the smart folks — if they're smart, then it won't take long for them to acquire these few rules and follow them.

Google doesn't answer all questions one has.
That is not the case at the matter at hand, though. Also, not having all the answers does not even remotely imply that search is pointless, so shut the fuck up and browse before you're going to complain.

X equals 1 gigabyte.
What's a gigabyte

Size: X GB.
TIL that B is unit for size, while it's common knowledge that G is a prefix. Prefixes (micro, mili, centi, deci, kilo, mega and giga) are already common knowledge in every country that is smart enough to use metric system instead of imperial.

Not many people can learn with only text only.
Which is why internet also provides movies and pictures.

Sometimes google doesn't translate as well.
Which only applies for people who don't speak English and is the only partially valid line of your argument.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
" so shut the fuck up and browse before you're going to complain."

Who says I'm complaining? I'm stating a point.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
or GPG(fork when PGP when closed source).

Its a sad day when upstanding citizens have to fear their own government. While I encourage everyone to continue using any and all forms of strong crypto, I will continue to push for keeping upstanding citizens on the right side of the law.
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DutchConnaisseur Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
Finally an audience!
:spotlight-left: :wave: :spotlight-right:
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:icontenshizuru:
Tenshizuru Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
They're already trying to make patients switch to electronic records, which I fucking hate. Not that the sites even work properly :|
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did you have trouble with them?

Who wants data online anyhow, right?
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:icontenshizuru:
Tenshizuru Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Huge trouble. None of my test results have ever shown up, not even from a year ago. Tech support was mighty helpful- "Iunno, maybe they're just not in yet." Then why can I call and get the results from the nurse, idiots? :slow:

So apparently no one can steal my shit anyway, since none of it gets online :lol:
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
^^ Yeah, good point.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist
Emr makes sense. Much easier to bring up your records if you go to a different doctor/hospital.
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Tenshizuru Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Doctor to doctor can see completely different things than what they put on online patient charts. It's a sanitized version of what doctors say, plus some test results, therefor not the whole picture anyway. (None of my tests have ever come up online, even after talking with tech support)

The patient charts can't be accessed if you go to a different hospital, unless it's within the same hospital system.

Urg, that probably hardly made sense but it's late.
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:iconnovuso:
Novuso Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
People will just stop using e-mail then or use overseas e-mail severs. There are so many different ways to communicate that the government will always be a step behind the tech savvy.


The real problem is the DMCA which needs to be repealed. It is stifling innovation anyway and is part of the reason America is falling behind China.
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
lol and this is new? Anybody with any sense knows that email can be read by third parties.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you have evidence to your claim? Not saying I don't believe it.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist
This wasn't about sniffing email, it was about getting data from your ISP and other service providers without the need of a warrant.
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Again, this should be a surprise? I don't see why that's a shock to anybody.
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:icontacosteev:
tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist
So you have no problems with illegal laws because it's "nothing new"?
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
*shrug*
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012   Digital Artist
Boo hoo
Do you really think that your email has been private all this time?
Because it hasn't, it's the same as it has been since the beginning, in fact in the beginning it was probably worse.
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It hasn't? Evidence?
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012   Digital Artist
There was less laws protecting the individual privacy in the beginning of the internet. Essentially since there was nothing saying that they couldn't, anyone not just the government had the right to access that information. Now at least there is some legislation.
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
haven't they already been doing this?
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
?
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:icontacosteev:
tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist
The NSA logs a ton of data daily from the internet. Supposedly they only analyse specifics with a warrant...
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Oh god no! so horrible! it's not like how they can tap your phone line.... oh wait.


God, people overreact.
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:icontacosteev:
tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist
How is being against laws that violate our country's constitution over reacting?
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Because it's absolute no difference to what already happens, but I see no one protesting that.

It wouldn't be overreacting if people had the same reaction to other stuff, it'd be okay, but they don't.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist
Just because something wrong is done now means we should bend over and take it? When things like this come to light people do speak out. The problem is that these types of issues are pushed through quietly that we often don't get a chance to voice out opinions in time.
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