I am waiting for someone to come in, talk about "free labor", speak about how no one is pointing a gun to their heads making them work, and then bitch when they don't show up for work, with shitty pay and conditions.
I say best of luck to them. The workers may be unskilled and uneducated, as you put, but they deserve to be treated like human beings. I've heard for years that Wal-mart treats their employees poorly, which is why I rarely shop there.
snuffles11Featured By OwnerNov 22, 2012Hobbyist General Artist
Well, tonight is Black Friday for me. 8:30pm-6am shift in Electronics at Target. I hope that Wal-Mart here is open, or we'll get the crazies that usually go there instead. I don't need that. I'm already not getting a Thanksgiving so I can sleep through the afternoon and be awake for my shift- I don't need a crazy stupid night too.
The nice thing about walmart, each store is different. And some of them actually treat there employees well. You must have got stuck at a terrible one, or you are young and was heavily influenced by the negative.
What I'm saying is they wont make the third shift cashier push carts or toss the truck, stock a section you've never worked in, haul pallets to the floor. You're a third shift cashier, they need you at the tobacco register
I have a feeling this will not really happen... except in tiny towns where hardly any customers come in. In which case, the employees will simply be fired. I am all for workers' rights- but unfortunately we have to learn that demanding rights from a corporation alone is irresponsible and is just showboating. If people care about rights- they wouldn't shop at their stores. Being a customer of Wal Mart and then turning around saying you are against their unfair labor practices is worse than hypocrisy. It is actually enabling suffering and is the epitome of inconsiderate, two-faced selfishness. Ask me and fuck no I don't shop at Wal Mart, and haven't bought anything at one of their stores in over 8 years and probably never will again. Then the workers themselves need to be taking their services elsewhere. The ultimate strike is a mass walkout and never to return. Taking a job at a company you know is abusive, then feigning victimhood is plain nonsense. The excuse "it's the only job in town" is not going to cut it. Wal Mart is not the only job in town. Anyone who has that little education that it's the only job they can ever get has already sold themselves short in a country that offers free public education- and to some extent has themselves to blame for their awful work lives. If these two things are given as much weight as demands against the corporation for fair treatment, then I'd listen.
This isn't going to be successful as long as the vast majority of people selfishly go shop their and enable this corporation by giving them their money. And as long as people agree to work their in big enough numbers. It will take more than a threat of a strike by a handful of activists and an unrecognized union of $8/hr employees to make Walmart budge.
"This isn't going to be successful as long as the vast majority of people selfishly go shop their and enable this corporation by giving them their money"
well what do you want them to do?
"It will take more than a threat of a strike by a handful of activists and an unrecognized union of $8/hr employees to make Walmart budge."
I don't understand why a union has to be "recognized" by any real authority to be valid. Its simply a collection of workers working for the common good. Probably better intented being its new than many established unions.
The solution is MORE activists and MORE strikers. Size and scope seem to be the problem, but someone needs to go first. this activity is a type of advertising/recruitment effort for future activity. You need to start somewhere.
As far as unions go, even with unskilled seemingly replacable labor, labor walkouts and strikes can be effective, because you just don't pull people off the street and have them start working the next day, there is a hiring proccess. Higher than normal turnover costs money from HR.
Even at an unskilled labor job, it will take at least a few months for new employees to really learn the job, which will be lost everytime you fire people.
All I know is, I'm glad that we don't have a Wal-Mart anywhere close to where I live, or in the whole country as far as I know. But finding a job is hard when the state of the economy is uncertain. I've submitted my resume to many places that were looking for help and I didn't hear back from them. Does that make me lazy? Here's a hint: If you say yes, you'd be glad I'm not able to smash your face in. I do support workers that are getting the short end of the stick because the business is screwing them over demanding better conditions, but since my country is fairly socialist in nature this isn't a common problem.
Maybe I was in the wrong by making a violent implication, but telling someone you want to give them brain damage is no joke. Two wrongs don't make a right, you know. Also, you really shouldn't get so unreasonably aggressive about things on the internet. Just chill.
Nevermind just the workers, Black Friday as a thing needs to be discouraged. I couldn't even believe when a few years ago places actually started calling it "Black Friday sale" rather than "day after Thanksgiving sale". I mean it was called Black Friday to begin with because it's such a terrible day to be working in retail.
Black Friday horrifies me as an outsider looking in. Maybe it's mostly because you only hear the bad stories on the news. I've never actually gone to the States to shop on it, wait in lines for it or worked it. Here we have Boxing Day sales, which I dare say actually make sense since people are out returning and exchanging their Christmas gifts as well as buying tons of late ones -- And it's nothing compared to the insanity of Black Friday, although my family still refuses to participate in the frenzy.
I guess for a long time Americans have considered the day after Thanksgiving to be the start of Christmas present buying season. The problem is its become almost a holiday in itself, and rampant, aggressive consumerism is the tradition.
I guess that makes sense. I don't know - I'm really into the gift-giving part of the holidays and have presents that have patiently waited since like, April, for the holidays to come around. So the whole discount gift shopping thing I never could relate to.
The term black Friday is even older than that. Good Friday was originally called Black Friday because of the day Jesus was crucified which was also a Friday the 13th. In pagan tradition Friday the 13th was also called a black Friday. Friday itself was named after Venus which is the Norse equivalent the goddess Frigg. The "Fri" in Friday refers to these goddesses of Love. Its' oldest origin basically through pagan translation means Day of no Love.
"Day of no Love" aptly describes this day of mad shopping. Love is the last thing on these shoppers minds on Black Friday.
If companies have the right to treat people that way then people have the right to not do their work. Big companies love to use recessions to screw over their employees if they are unskilled workers as there is always someone else who will take the job.
I am wholly in support for the people who work there.
Back in college, I worked a summer at Kmart to help make some money, and they were terrible. Pretty much I am under the impression they treat their people the same as walmart does.
-They purposely discourage unions and threaten to fire those who try to organize. - You are told this the first day you come in for orientation. Video and all. -And for those thinking that this is unskilled, there was for a time unions that represented folks who worked at Grocery stores, cashiers included.
-Big box stores also will at times lay off employees who have worked there too long to avoid giving a raise and/or benefits, and hire a new kid who knows nothing and in the long run costs more to retrain since employee time is wasted in interviewing and re-orienting these new hires.
-Big box stores don't care if you're sick. If you call out with a nasty cold or virus that's not enough to go to a doctor, they want to see a doctor's note. -Even if you can't afford a doctor.
- And they will purposely screw their workers over by making them work 29, 32, 39 hours 3 weeks consecutively, and then drop it down to 15, 20, 13 for another, So you are still considered "Part time"
Honestly, if a place like Costco can provide happy employees who can make a good living with benefits, I see no excuse for Walmart. I much rather pay a slightly higher price knowing the employees are able to take care of themselves and their families.
Yeah I remember the anti-union propaganda tapes they showed up during orientation.
I remember this guy frank that was with the company for 23 years, had accumulated quite a few raises during that time, and they fired him.
I have actually been able to call out sick with a generic excuse so I can't vouch for that, but I was reprimanded for "skipping" work 5 months after it allegedly happened so there was no way I could defend myself or even remember what happened the day in question.
Yeah I've been bounced around between 29, 31 hours a week then the next two weeks are a measly 8 hours each.
SvenlerFeatured By OwnerNov 20, 2012Professional Photographer
The question is what would happen if Walmart made concessions and raised pay, hours, and pay. It's likely that more qualified people would want to work at Walmart and those who are unskilled and uneducated would be left without a job or a job that's as bad or worse than their current job at Walmart.
In addition, higher labor costs for Walmart would also require the company to either increase productivity or increase prices. The former would again require more skilled labor and the latter would likely decrease sales (in terms of number, not necessarily in terms of revenue). The former solution was quite successfully applied by ALDI in Germany - it takes three years for a cashier at ALDI to be fully trained and pay is accordingly.
In terms of the job market, Walmart fills a niche for those unqualified for anything better. It's an equilibrium of sorts, low standards of pay and benefits only attract those who can't get anything better, so it provides a demand for a level of supply.
Then again, there seem to be some Walmarts that are better managed than others.
I just strongly feel that if you want to work fulltime and it's very possible at a store as large as walmart you should be able to, and it should come with basic health coverage. I don't always low prices should come at the exploitation of unskilled labor. We tend to worry so much about upsetting the status quo we never wonder if it should be upset.
Like imagine if there were 2 starbucks right next to each other, and when the economy was hit one had to close. While it made be sad those people lost their jobs, we should also acknowledge that two identical coffee shops near each other is not sustainable and shouldn't have been implemented initially.
SvenlerFeatured By OwnerNov 20, 2012Professional Photographer
Yes, it would be nice if Walmart offered better hours and health coverage, but that brings back my previous point in that such action will attract more qualified employees. Walmart will have an easy time finding new and better people and increase productivity and the ones who wanted these benefits to begin with.
Since no one would leave for a worst paying job with less benefits, that means it would attract people on the same lowest tier. It's just a minute shift, people are not going to quit their professional job for walmart
SvenlerFeatured By OwnerNov 20, 2012Professional Photographer
It would also attract people who are currently unemployed or underemployed. I am fairly certain that Walmart would have no problem replacing its current staff with more qualified staff if the company was to be coerced into paying higher wages and providing more benefits. Not only would it not have a problem, it would also be advisable to do so from a business standpoint.
I don't think long term unemployed people are in the position to be picky about where they work, money is money. And if thy're so educated then they're well aware that the longer you remain unemployed the harder it is to find a job. They're not going to get picky.
Your argument is essentially if walmart improved the terms of employment, then people would want to work there. That's not an argument. By your logic no company should every improve employment conditions.
You don't realize that even if this did happen, then unskilled workers would be kicked to subway, mcdonalds, target, kmart, any massive chain, their situation would not change.