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Iron Dome interceptors hit 90% of their targets in sky.

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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Iron Dome interceptors hit 90% of their targets in sky.
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5th Iron Dome battery now deployed. It's in greater Tel Aviv area. Since Nov 14, Iron Dome interceptors hit 90% of their targets in sky.


Usually, Israel has been forced into hastily prepared ground operations in order to persuade terrorist factions, whether in Judea & Samaria, Lebanon, or Gaza, that attacking Israeli civilians is a poor choice for their muqawama (a.k.a. ideology of conflict enhancement) methodology. As the United Nations' general assembly has been, in recent years, occupied by a clear majority of non-aligned dictatorships, a quick denunciation of Israel's right to defend its population (with offensive action) was issued. Many other countries have often issued their own statements which requested 'proportional' response (as if that makes military sense where 1 million Israeli civilians are randomly targeted by rockets that aim to kill as many Jews, civilian or other, as possible).

How does the new success rate of Israel's defense system affect the global view on the strategic difficulties Israel face? How much breathing room does Israel allow for offensive measures, now that it has a system which muffles the effects of the thousands of rockets launched in the direction of its civilians?
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Rasec-Wizzlbang Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
but what happens to the other 10%?
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
[link] - Gaza rocket penetrates school's roof and 'tears classroom apart'; 3 lightly hurt in rocket barrages on south; rockets fired at Beersheba.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
a ceasefire has been declared.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Sure enough, Gaza celebrated victory.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
and anyway, why shouldn't they celebrate a victory?
[link] ...Seems a popular opinion is that they got a better deal from the ceasefire than Israel did.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
I'm not following you. One moment you're upset when I mention their behavior as if I am a prick, the next you're applauding their behavior. Which is it?
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I apologise. I should not be calling you a prick even if you are one. I will try and avoid such comments on your posts in the future.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
nah, not applauding, asking a question ...but you are a prick.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
gloating just reminds me you are a real jerk.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Oh. I wasn't gloating... I was making note of how they behaved -- I guess you were not aware and perceived my mimicking of their zealot celebration as if I was gloating... please. Check out the news reports yourself...

[link] - Defense Minister Ehud Barak dismissed the victory celebrations in the Gaza Strip on Thursday. Speaking on Israeli television, Barak said that the Hamas government was deceiving their populace with fabricated achievements. "They [Hamas] are deceiving their own people. They are celebrating the downing of an F-16 [which did not happen] and rockets that supposedly exploded in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. They know full well what has befallen them: The prime minister's official residence is gone, their manufacturing infrastructure is gone, no heavy machinery, they now have less than 40 percent of the medium range rockets they once possessed, and a buried military chief," Barak said. With gunshots, sweets and cries of victory, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip poured into the streets to celebrate Wednesday’s cease-fire deal, which ended eight days of deadly fighting between Israel and Islamist terrorists. After being stuck at home for days for fear of Israeli airstrikes, tens of thousands of Palestinians crowded into cars and doubled up on motorcycles, waving flags and chanting for Hamas.

[link] - "Congratulations on your victory," passersby said as they shook hands with Hamas traffic policemen back on the streets after days in hiding to avoid Israeli bombs and missiles. ... "We have elected Hamas and the resistance to regain our rights. We have a land that we want back," said grey-bearded Abu Mohammed Shameya, 52, buying food in an outdoor market. "Each Jew should pack his things and leave. We are fed up with them." (Oops, I guess he forgot to paraphrase himself not to sound anti-Semitic) ... "Israel learnt a lesson it will never forget" said 51-year-old Khalil Al-Rass from Beach refugee camp in Gaza City. "We are the spearhead, we don't want anything from Arab countries, we only need weapons. We have achieved what no other country did."
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Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
from that same news report - "Hamas said that it has officially ordered its military wing to stop firing projectiles on Israel"
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Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
they said, but there rockets kept coming.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
how do you know it was Hamas rockets and not some splinter group? you don't is what I am guessing unless Hamas has actually acknowledged that they are responsible.

The situation with Hamas is vry unstable and no Israeli should be surprised by that. It is what happens when one keeps on killing the leaders of an organisation to remove effective control. That means that, when control is required, such as when they declare a truce, there is nobody who has enough experience to exercise it totally and thouroughly. Reap what is sown.
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Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you cannot do even a weeding there without Hamas consent,
Until people of the western and other Arab countries don't help them to understand that they need to move on and accept there is a country called Israel there will be no peace for them, Israel is super super small, is a tiny peace of land surrounded by Arab countries that don't want to accept that Israel exist, this war is not about Palestinians people, is about the honor of the Arabs, and as you know Egypt also doing a blockage towards them because they don't want to deal with them aether.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Was a military leader of Hamas killed so recently that it resulted in a barrage of rocket fire in retaliation? Who does his job right now? Anyone who is visibly in control gets killed.
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Vel-drawings Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
the beginning of all this was the other way around [link]
And again as I said until Palestine and other Arab countries don't accept Israel as their very tiny tiny neighbor, Palestinian people are going to keep suffering and that's really sad.
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
Awesome. It looks like the Aliens are with the Jews. And the Aliens are even more with the United States. Let us take our country back from the Jews... unless they want to be the 53rd state?
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AnataraKentara Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I say again:

This is a Semite war.

Israel can defend itself without the west intervening.

Go on and kill your enemies, just don't drag us down into it.

If it needs to roll into Gaza and kill everyone there, so be it.

But the moment you drag us into it, or shoot at us, or expand into our lands : then there's a problem.

But you're not going to pass your little middle eastern shit boundaries, now are you?
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Well seeing as Interior Minister Eli Yishai was quoted by Israel's Haaretz newspaper as saying that the goal of the current operation was "to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages" I don't think Iron Dome will reduce the amount of offensive military action against Gaza. The Arabs may hate the Israelis, but the blind hatred is by no means one-sided. :shrug:
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Did he say to kill people or to destroy the Gaza infrastructure? (Hint: it was the latter).

You really can't create a moral equivalence between Hamas' charter's trees and rock quote and their everyday teachings about killing Jews with an Israeli official's perspective on how much infrastructure should be destroyed in order to bring peace to the people of Israel.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
The meaning may have been the latter, but the wording itself was highly insightful into how the Israeli government thinks. Whilst Hamas's doctrine may be morally abhorrent, Israel cannot hope to legitimately hold any moral high-ground when they spew quotes worded like that.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
For starters, even if there were more than that single quote, Israel can indeed claim moral high ground as that quote does not say 'kill all Arabs', which is what an equivalent quote would be. Secondly, it is a single quote and the Minister was reprimanded for making statements which contradict the position of the Israeli government.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
The point is, the quote contradicts the official position of the government, but more than likely shows the true feelings of Israeli ministers.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
That's an absurdity. If one child says something in class, does he automatically speak for the rest of the students?
The only point is that he was reprimanded for speaking words which do not reflect the views of the government.
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DutchConnaisseur Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
I doubt anything changes. The west will still support Israel, the Muslim world will still want to destroy Israel and with the coming Iran-USA war the Isarelis will take the opportunity to beat the crap out of their enemies once again. Life and death as we know it.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
I disagree with the idea that Israel is "taking an opportunity" in the recent clashes. The week before, Gaza terrorists launched 120 rockets into Israeli cities. More than 1 million people in rocket range wanted a response.
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DutchConnaisseur Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
They didn't decide, their government did.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
How does that translate into Israel taking an opportunity?
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DutchConnaisseur Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
I don't understand your question.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Follow this short conversation, let me know if you still don't follow the question - [link]
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DutchConnaisseur Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
I still don't understand what you are trying to say. You seem to link something negative to the phrase 'taking an opportunity'. In my book it is only a neutral phrase.

If there is a Iran-USA war the attention of the world media will be focused on that war. Nothing illogical in Israel pushing the Palestinians. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong. Maybe there will be no Iran-USA conflict at all. We will see.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
The Iran issue would be a reason for Israel to avoid a conflict with Gaza as it diverts attention from the Iranian nuclear program, which is a pretty serious matter for Israel, considering the non-stop Iranian rhetoric, and where their money is going (i.e. Hezbollah, and Gaza militants).
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AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Writer
The UK's record on human rights isn't great, but at least at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland we didn't fire rockets into Catholic areas. If you don't recognise Palestine as a state, then you have to recognise that the Palestinians are your own citizens. What kind of a government fires rockets at its own citizens?
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defense2 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
You think that there is only two options here? This is amusing as there is a third option. Don't shoot rockets into Isreal.

When you are fighting another man, you brutalize him to teach him the folly of throwing that fist so he never throws another fist again. If he does throw another fist, you kill him.

These people do not have to be firing rockets and supporting terrorism... Yet they do and it rightfully prevents them from getting what they want.

Like when a child throws a fit, you do not compermize you punish the child until they learn your rules rule.
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AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012   Writer
I don't think the 11 children killed so far were shooting rockets into Israel.
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Out of curiosity. Can you tell me how many children died in Syria today?
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AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012   Writer
The figure for today will probably be between 5 and 20, given the current situation - 2300 is the figure given by opposition groups over the course of the last 18 months, and there has been a significant rise since August this year. That's bad enough for western countries to provide military support to opposition forces. Of course, using the atrocities in Syria as a smokescreen for the atrocities of one's own military doesn't wash. Where is the Iron Dome for the Palestinians?
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Why aren't you asking, where is the nuke for the Palestinians?
hint: they would use it.

No smokescreen. I was just checking to see if you were aware of how Arabs deal with other Arabs when you attack Israel's right to defend its people (with a bit of precision offense). Had Israel been operating through the norms of the middle east, there would be no more Palestinian problem. People who defend the terrorist tactics of using their supporting civilians by focusing on each Palestinian casualty as if it were Israel's intention are only serving to prolong the conflict (by playing into the propaganda tactics of the terrorists).
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AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012   Writer
If Israel has a right to 'defend its people', surely Palestine has a right to 'defend its people', and randomly fire rockets at residential targets in the same manner. 'Defending its people' should not become an umbrella term to excuse war crimes.

You still haven't even acknowledged that the Arab Palestinians are people. If they are citizens of Israel then surely they ought not to be killed by Israeli missiles. If they are citizens of Palestine, then surely Palestine should be recognised as a UN member. Which one should it be?
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jaakobou Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
I'm not following your logic here. (a) who cares about the UN status of either Israel or Palestine? I thought we were talking about "war crimes". (b) Are you saying Israel is targeting innocent civilians on purpose when it responds to Gaza rocketeering?

p.s. there's a number of UN related rules involved in what you want to talk about. I'd advise you look them up. It is not up to Israel to declare Hamas' Gaza or Fatah's Judea&Samaria as anything but rather an issue for the Security Council and the General Assembly.
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defense2 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
No but that is the cost of war, a war started by their parents failure to maintain a civilized nation not seeking war with another nation.

This is why I demand a draft if we vote for war, so that we all must risk something (our children and ourselves) for said war. Because we have fought Iraq/Afghanistan for 12 years and only 1% of our nation has any skin in the game.

If you don't like how this war will be fought, then demand that Obama step in... Then demand a national draft.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yep, like any parent can control the society they live in when control is in the hands of invaders. That works :roll:
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TheLightsWentOutIn99 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student Writer
So, are Hamas invaders? Or are you claiming that Israel controls the Gaza Strip?
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yes, I'm claiming that Israel controls the Gaza strip. It's like a fuckin zoo with a crowded cage.
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TheLightsWentOutIn99 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student Writer
In what way does Israel control the Gaza Strip?
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defense2 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
One parent? No, 10,000 parents? Yes.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
fantasyland is down in Disney World somewhere.
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AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012   Writer
The only draft I feel is necessary is one to draft all people who demand a draft.
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defense2 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
And this is why we have a military industrial complex, because you make war appealing, you make it appitising and acceptable to the public by telling them to sacrofice nothing.
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