Oh. I wasn't gloating... I was making note of how they behaved -- I guess you were not aware and perceived my mimicking of their zealot celebration as if I was gloating... please. Check out the news reports yourself...
[link] - Defense Minister Ehud Barak dismissed the victory celebrations in the Gaza Strip on Thursday. Speaking on Israeli television, Barak said that the Hamas government was deceiving their populace with fabricated achievements. "They [Hamas] are deceiving their own people. They are celebrating the downing of an F-16 [which did not happen] and rockets that supposedly exploded in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. They know full well what has befallen them: The prime minister's official residence is gone, their manufacturing infrastructure is gone, no heavy machinery, they now have less than 40 percent of the medium range rockets they once possessed, and a buried military chief," Barak said. With gunshots, sweets and cries of victory, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip poured into the streets to celebrate Wednesday’s cease-fire deal, which ended eight days of deadly fighting between Israel and Islamist terrorists. After being stuck at home for days for fear of Israeli airstrikes, tens of thousands of Palestinians crowded into cars and doubled up on motorcycles, waving flags and chanting for Hamas.
[link] - "Congratulations on your victory," passersby said as they shook hands with Hamas traffic policemen back on the streets after days in hiding to avoid Israeli bombs and missiles. ... "We have elected Hamas and the resistance to regain our rights. We have a land that we want back," said grey-bearded Abu Mohammed Shameya, 52, buying food in an outdoor market. "Each Jew should pack his things and leave. We are fed up with them." (Oops, I guess he forgot to paraphrase himself not to sound anti-Semitic) ... "Israel learnt a lesson it will never forget" said 51-year-old Khalil Al-Rass from Beach refugee camp in Gaza City. "We are the spearhead, we don't want anything from Arab countries, we only need weapons. We have achieved what no other country did."
how do you know it was Hamas rockets and not some splinter group? you don't is what I am guessing unless Hamas has actually acknowledged that they are responsible.
The situation with Hamas is vry unstable and no Israeli should be surprised by that. It is what happens when one keeps on killing the leaders of an organisation to remove effective control. That means that, when control is required, such as when they declare a truce, there is nobody who has enough experience to exercise it totally and thouroughly. Reap what is sown.
you cannot do even a weeding there without Hamas consent, Until people of the western and other Arab countries don't help them to understand that they need to move on and accept there is a country called Israel there will be no peace for them, Israel is super super small, is a tiny peace of land surrounded by Arab countries that don't want to accept that Israel exist, this war is not about Palestinians people, is about the honor of the Arabs, and as you know Egypt also doing a blockage towards them because they don't want to deal with them aether.
the beginning of all this was the other way around [link] And again as I said until Palestine and other Arab countries don't accept Israel as their very tiny tiny neighbor, Palestinian people are going to keep suffering and that's really sad.
Well seeing as Interior Minister Eli Yishai was quoted by Israel's Haaretz newspaper as saying that the goal of the current operation was "to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages" I don't think Iron Dome will reduce the amount of offensive military action against Gaza. The Arabs may hate the Israelis, but the blind hatred is by no means one-sided.
Did he say to kill people or to destroy the Gaza infrastructure? (Hint: it was the latter).
You really can't create a moral equivalence between Hamas' charter's trees and rock quote and their everyday teachings about killing Jews with an Israeli official's perspective on how much infrastructure should be destroyed in order to bring peace to the people of Israel.
The meaning may have been the latter, but the wording itself was highly insightful into how the Israeli government thinks. Whilst Hamas's doctrine may be morally abhorrent, Israel cannot hope to legitimately hold any moral high-ground when they spew quotes worded like that.
For starters, even if there were more than that single quote, Israel can indeed claim moral high ground as that quote does not say 'kill all Arabs', which is what an equivalent quote would be. Secondly, it is a single quote and the Minister was reprimanded for making statements which contradict the position of the Israeli government.
That's an absurdity. If one child says something in class, does he automatically speak for the rest of the students? The only point is that he was reprimanded for speaking words which do not reflect the views of the government.
I doubt anything changes. The west will still support Israel, the Muslim world will still want to destroy Israel and with the coming Iran-USA war the Isarelis will take the opportunity to beat the crap out of their enemies once again. Life and death as we know it.
I disagree with the idea that Israel is "taking an opportunity" in the recent clashes. The week before, Gaza terrorists launched 120 rockets into Israeli cities. More than 1 million people in rocket range wanted a response.
I still don't understand what you are trying to say. You seem to link something negative to the phrase 'taking an opportunity'. In my book it is only a neutral phrase.
If there is a Iran-USA war the attention of the world media will be focused on that war. Nothing illogical in Israel pushing the Palestinians. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong. Maybe there will be no Iran-USA conflict at all. We will see.
The Iran issue would be a reason for Israel to avoid a conflict with Gaza as it diverts attention from the Iranian nuclear program, which is a pretty serious matter for Israel, considering the non-stop Iranian rhetoric, and where their money is going (i.e. Hezbollah, and Gaza militants).
The UK's record on human rights isn't great, but at least at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland we didn't fire rockets into Catholic areas. If you don't recognise Palestine as a state, then you have to recognise that the Palestinians are your own citizens. What kind of a government fires rockets at its own citizens?
The figure for today will probably be between 5 and 20, given the current situation - 2300 is the figure given by opposition groups over the course of the last 18 months, and there has been a significant rise since August this year. That's bad enough for western countries to provide military support to opposition forces. Of course, using the atrocities in Syria as a smokescreen for the atrocities of one's own military doesn't wash. Where is the Iron Dome for the Palestinians?
Why aren't you asking, where is the nuke for the Palestinians? hint: they would use it.
No smokescreen. I was just checking to see if you were aware of how Arabs deal with other Arabs when you attack Israel's right to defend its people (with a bit of precision offense). Had Israel been operating through the norms of the middle east, there would be no more Palestinian problem. People who defend the terrorist tactics of using their supporting civilians by focusing on each Palestinian casualty as if it were Israel's intention are only serving to prolong the conflict (by playing into the propaganda tactics of the terrorists).
If Israel has a right to 'defend its people', surely Palestine has a right to 'defend its people', and randomly fire rockets at residential targets in the same manner. 'Defending its people' should not become an umbrella term to excuse war crimes.
You still haven't even acknowledged that the Arab Palestinians are people. If they are citizens of Israel then surely they ought not to be killed by Israeli missiles. If they are citizens of Palestine, then surely Palestine should be recognised as a UN member. Which one should it be?
I'm not following your logic here. (a) who cares about the UN status of either Israel or Palestine? I thought we were talking about "war crimes". (b) Are you saying Israel is targeting innocent civilians on purpose when it responds to Gaza rocketeering?
p.s. there's a number of UN related rules involved in what you want to talk about. I'd advise you look them up. It is not up to Israel to declare Hamas' Gaza or Fatah's Judea&Samaria as anything but rather an issue for the Security Council and the General Assembly.
No but that is the cost of war, a war started by their parents failure to maintain a civilized nation not seeking war with another nation.
This is why I demand a draft if we vote for war, so that we all must risk something (our children and ourselves) for said war. Because we have fought Iraq/Afghanistan for 12 years and only 1% of our nation has any skin in the game.
If you don't like how this war will be fought, then demand that Obama step in... Then demand a national draft.