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Union Wins Victory by Killing Twinkies and 18,500 Jobs

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maddmatt Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
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Hostess, an already struggling company who had just settled with one striking Union could not handle the second strike of a second union holding them hostage.

Some workers had crossed the picket lines while the union threatened heavy fines to poor workers if they tried to go back earning a living. This stoppage of production put a dagger in the heart Hostess.

So because of the union strategy, at a place that did not have any unsafe workplace issues, instead of workers have a small cut in pay to keep the company afloat, everyone lost all their pay. Instead of taking a little less and having the time on your own to seek other employment or something you liked better, you are now jobless along with thousands of others who will be competing for the same very few jobs.

So is a victory of a striking union worth the death of a beloved company and thousands of jobs?
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Agburanar Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Sorry, Madmatt - Hostess' failure was one of leadership. The company would not be in a position of such weakness if not for years of mismanagement and executive profligacy.

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This is pretty cut-and-dried. The union's seeming intransigence was simply a predictable reaction to repeated provocation by the Hostess execs.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Maybe, maybe not. The issue on the table is a union decision to halt production effectively killing the jobs of the people they represent with threat of fines if they did not strike.
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mosobot64 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Student General Artist
The issues here are much more complex than that and go back several years of mismanagement by the upper staff that led to the striking in the first place. They filed their first bankruptcy in 2004, long before any striking took place: [link]

Anyway, good riddance anyway. Their employment policies were lousy, their Wonderbread honestly sucked and they're not the only ones capable of making Twinkie-like cakes anyway.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Yeah screw the thousands that are paying for this union peeing contest.
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mosobot64 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Student General Artist
Y'know what? All this shit went AFTER unions were dismantled, not before!

Stick that factoid up your ass and suck it!
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Not true. In fact hostess is still negotiating with the unions.
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:iconmosobot64:
mosobot64 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Student General Artist
Actually, Hostess is currently liquidating their assets and getting the paperwork signed to sell their trademarks to the highest bidder.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
Currently, yes. After the initial decree to close, bankruptcy judge ordered mediation attempts with the union stating the union had serious flawed logic in striking. Those attempts to reason with the union has now failed again.

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mosobot64 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student General Artist
I say again that it's not the union's fault the company was failing so badly in the first place.
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Novuso Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
The Unions at Hostess were never dismantled. In a way you could blame the management for not taking on the unions years ago when the company still had the resources to dismantle them. If they did that Hostess would still be in business.
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mosobot64 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Student General Artist
Not at Hostess, but unions around the country have been being dismantled for years, which have led to declining wages, which have led to decreased sales, which in turn, along with increased competition, led to Hostess' collapse.

Big picture, folks, it's not that hard.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
unions are certainly doing there part to increase the Bum Nation
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StephenL Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
What will Fred Sanford do without Twinkies?
What's next the orange drink Tang?
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ndifference Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Writer
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
I thought you said that article would be interesting
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:iconndifference:
ndifference Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Professional Writer
Sorry mate, I was talking to Matt. I'll let you know if I find a Hooked On Phonics version for you.
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meanus Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
thanks man!!!
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:iconndifference:
ndifference Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Professional Writer
:)
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
A "beloved company"
You people are truly sick in the skull. Looks like your pathetic attempt at propogandizing and hating on wage earners kinda got stuffed. Damn. What a shame. You love that company, they went out of business... looks like you lost your lover.:no:
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
B-but the free market will fix it!
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
wouldn't it be great if we actually had free markets? fuck Big Brother
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Any free market worth its gold standard would've killed any company that was so poorly managed and that failed to adapt on the level that Hostess was. Hooray for capitalism!
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meanus Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
well, when you have union involvement, naturally the company is going to fail
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
You keep on thinking that now.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
hi, cute little toaster...huzzah!!
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I like how no one blames the CEO who got the pay increase to 2.5 million a year, and other top execs who got pay increases from as high as 300,000 to 900,000 a year...But no, it's the union workers making 40k a year striking so that they can receive their owed pension and benefits. Fucking greedy union...
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meanus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
doesnt' matter, they are all unemployed now
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I find the blaming of the union over the corrupt CEOs to be disgusting
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
The executive pay increases were probably not nearly enough to actually sink the company, but it couldn't have looked good when they were trying to get workers to take a pay cut (after a similar pay cut and pay freeze a few years earlier). The company was already dead, and the union strike was just the final nail in the coffin.

Now the people in charge are trying to use the unions as a scapegoat to cover up their horrific mismanagement over the years (there were 6 CEOs since 2002 or so). Not only did they make unsustainable pension promises in better days, but they failed to compete as America grew more health-conscious. I guess that the free market really did fix this; an inefficient company is now no more. Yay capitalism!
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
yay unions...communism will triumph!!!!
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
Unions do not equal communism. I don't even support communism, and I doubt that you even really know what communism means.
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meanus Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I know what it means. Big Brother decides and if you don't like it...tough shit
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
That could also apply to fascism, which is on the other end of the spectrum.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
no, fascism is simply another branch of socialism...for example
Hitler was pro abortion
Hitler was pro gun control
Hitler was pro business regulation
Hitler was pro Big Government
Hitler liked to bomb people
Hitler hated religion although he gave it lip service
Hitler was pro all industry being government controlled

sound like anyone you know?
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Hitler sent communists to concentration camps.
Hitler was anti LGBT
Hitler was anti-intellectual
Hitler was against pre-marital sex, prostitution and pornography
Hitler was anti-Parliament
Hitler was pretty dope on the mic

Yeah, he kinda sounds like Hitler.
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lotusson Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Forgot the link

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It should be noted that the pay increase is a combination of money and other benefits.
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lotusson Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Lets give a little blame to Hostess management that ran the company into the ground. Last summer executives increased their own pay by 80%. What sort of CEO allows its executives to increase their pay by that much when the company is in financial trouble? A bad CEO does. Heck, the CEO increased his pay from 750k to 2.5 million. Think about that, the CEO of a struggling company, that had already faced bankruptcy, decided to increase his pay from 750k to 2.5 million. That's pure irresponsibility. If your company is failing, decrease overhead, don't increase it because, "lol better get mines before the ship sinks." Those dudes knew the end was coming and instead of taking appropriate action they doubled/tripled their pay, took the money and ran. I think they employees should of accepted the concessions and then immediately started to look for another job, because those executives seemed pretty determined to destroy Hostess.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
How about the VAST MAJORITY of blame
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
So the massive executive pay rises had absolutely nothing to do with this situation?
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HerbalDrink Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Is this the same company that declared bankruptcy numerous times?
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
The same company that has had 6 CEOs in the past decade or so.
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:iconherbaldrink:
HerbalDrink Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
That's what I thought.

Wal-Mart's products are usually crap yet they're still in business...I don't see the correlation between selling shit and being out of business.
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Yes
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
In any form of combat, be it a battlefield, martial arts, or a negotiating table, one must always remember that there are other forms of victory then complete annihilation of one's enemy.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And the policy implications are...?
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SapphireZero Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Writer
This will be a clear example when a Union abuses it's power and pays the price. Anytime you strike, you take a risk of loosing it all. Instead of the 8% or so cut, they now have a 100% cut in their pay.
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, didn't Hostess go bankrupt twice in the last decade? Hasn't it cycled through, what, seven CEOs in the last eight years? I mean, I don't know what I expect here, but if you want to pretend that capitalism is a meritocracy, then mismanagement in the boardroom kills a company just as surely as a strike on the ground floor.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Yes. Hostess has been dealing with bankruptcy issues, in large part to the outrageous control of the labor unions.
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, certainly not owing to the $170 million in debt they generated filing for bankruptcy, or the rising executive salary, or their failure to adapt to a changing marketplace.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
shhh...facts dont work on Maddmatt
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