This is what the constituion says. [link] "but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress."
Basicly, you'd need the OK form both the Texas Government, and Federal Government.
Portions of a state seceding from their parent state has happened twice in our nations history. In the midst of the civil war, West Virginia Seceded from Virginia, the consent of virginia was not needed because they were in revolt, and it got rubber stamped.
At the dawn of our nation's history, Maine Seceded from Massachusetts, this was at the very beginning of the slavery issue, and It scored another free state, and mass was happy to be free of the maine-tards.
That said, no one in any government is planning on seceding any state at this time. I seriously doubt that the majority of people in those states seriously want this. 25,000 signatures is nothing in states with more than 1 million people. Given the amount of signatures are in the tens of thousands, its unlikely that you'd even get someone elected to state government with those numbers.
And yes, people get butthurt every election. They make all kinds of crazy remarks, every election. Most of them are just that, butthurt, and empty gestures that can be safely ignored.
That said, given the continual cultural diffrences between austin and the rest of Texas, I'd say that and East Texas state might not be such a bad thing.
Upstate NY wants to be free of NYC and Long Island, because they feel the state government is dominated by urban and suburban areas is not responsive to the needs of the bulk of area of NY which is farmland.
One cannot stress enough that a petition is just a letter signed by a lot of people. The most that can ever happen if enough signatures are received is that someone in government may be required to read it. Neither petition was created or endorsed by the state or city government, and there is no guarantee that the signatories are texans, Americans or even just actually real people. Discussing them as if they had any more importance than your average forum thread is a waste of time.
Again, they're being filed by citizens (many signers not even from the same state) without any actual state sanctioning or support. It's a bunch of jerkoffs saying they want the states they live in to secede, not the states saying they want to secede. And they barely make up a small fraction of residents in each of those states. The video you linked to earlier also said that the states rely on federal funding and support so much that if any of them did secede they would utterly fail to survive as is.
Nokari: Did britain let us leave? Did the south leave legally during the civil war? What exactly is there to stop the largest growing state in the union, with access to all various commodities like oil and agriculture, has the largest part of the army,and the world's 15 largest economy, from leaving should it ever want to?
Texas isn't the same beast as most of the other states. It CAN fend for itself.
I get it, it's all pomp and gesturing by retards and trolls, but to say "lol, the citizens are crying." is completely ignoring history.
We left Britain as a united decision of all 13 colonies, not a bunch of scattered disgruntled folks that are lashing out for their guy losing a democratic election in the short aftermath of said election... The south tried to secede together and with the state governments at the helm... If these people start turning to guns or riots, then it would be something to worry about.
Texas relies on federal funding and support a lot too. They would still suffer greatly, and in case you just now forgot, their governor has flat out said he doesn't want the state to secede, and I bet neither do most of the citizens (which greatly outnumber the petition signers). Some of the signers aren't even residents of Texas either.
I don't think people realize that there's a big difference to a lot of things when comparing interstate commerce and international commerce either. Because remember, if Texas becomes a separate country, it's not only taking federal property with it (which means losing those to the US along with all those public sector jobs), US and Texas companies will have to use completely different sets of laws to do business. Sending a truck over state lines becomes international import/export, you have to bring a passport to go on a road trip or go hundreds of miles out of the way to avoid crossing into Texas, people wanting to move to Texas or leave Texas for the US would have to go through immigration procedures for citizenship approval (costing hundreds or thousands of dollars) instead of just updating their info with the DMV (for free)... and much more.
I don't think any of these guys have really thought this secession thing through, so I'm not going to worry until something more meaningful develops.
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While it would be harder than interstate travel, if the secession was peaceful, I'd assume they'd have policies brought in, that would make travelling between texas and america easier.
For example, in Australia/New Zealand, we have the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement. New Zealanders (With some exceptions, for example, criminal records), are able to enter Australia only with a passport, and they're granted a special visa, that allows indefinite stay in Australia.
Given the nature of the petition website and the fact that the Obama administration reserves the right to ignore certain classes and categories of petitions even if they do make, this is most likely just for show and not actually anything serious.
And people act like Texas is the only state doing this crap. While I'll admit they're probably a little more "gung-ho" about it than the rest, need I remind everyone that over HALF of the other states have started petitions as well. Louisiana has also passed the 25,000 mark...
The White House 1) has already denied the petitions and 2) doesn't actually have constitutional power to grant a secession. So none of those petitions are really mattering. They're still only a tiny percentage of people from each of those states who are not representatives of their states' official positions, and something that was pointed out several times is that many of the "signatures" are from people who don't even live in those respective states. It really is just a bunch of extreme sore losers from the elections (and probably some trolls too) and I would bet you if we went back in time we'd find there have been similar petitions like this on that site popping up after every election in which that petition site has existed.
Exactly, people are just making a big fuss over nothing.
And while I personally did not vote for Obama, after he was re-elected I wasn't all "butthurt" like so many people were...and still are. I think it's pointless for people to rant and rave about how America elected the "wrong guy", rather than support the man who will be running the country for four more years.
Hahahaha! Border patrol job does not involve dealing with shoplifters and rioteers. Whew ......
However, it does carry some elements of danger, such as occasional gunfights with Mexican narco gangs who are pretty ruthless and not shy about defying the law, making typical gun-touting NRA member look rather mild by comparison. I guess Wal-Mart is not such a bad job, after all.