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Is the Left lost?

:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
There was movement to the Right, for the word had passed around. Apologies to Banjo Patterson.
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Tachy-on Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012
:lock: sorry but your posts need to contain more discussion value for this forum.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
the left liked Obama...there is no left
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Party politics doesn't interest me, choose another subject.
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dregs-of-humanity Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Abbotts approval ratings are at their lowest point ever, it seems like a strange time to make this post when the Liberals are at their most hopeless.

We saw people get fed up with ineffective Labor premiers and vote in Libs who royally fucked their states in the arse. I think it will be no trouble for Gillard next year as people have realised an ineffective government isn't necessarily that bad compared to Abbott. Gillard is useless but its better to be useless than a complete arsehole.

All the movement in Aus politics is definitely towards the left, look at the Greens, if they keep gaining ground at the rate they have been in 20yrs we will definetly be a 3 party country.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer

We saw people get fed up with ineffective Labor premiers and vote in Libs who royally fucked their states in the arse. I think it will be no trouble for Gillard next year as people have realised an ineffective government isn't necessarily that bad compared to Abbott. Gillard is useless but its better to be useless than a complete arsehole.


THIS, THIS SO MUCH.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Labor party is fucked, The Liberal National Party is fucked. ugh, independents, I mean, don't get me started on Bob Katter...

If Tony Abbot gets in, however, it'll be Campbell Newman 2.0. You just have to look at the airport tunnel to see how well he's governing...
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:iconbullet-magnet:
Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Yeah, I'd have thought that an airport in a tunnel would be a bad idea to begin with.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
lol
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
It's a tunnel to the airport.
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:iconskulkey:
skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
you're no fun.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Looking at what Campbell Newman has done is almost as outrageous as an airport in a tunnel.


One of the biggest fire seasons coming up? LETS SLASH THE AMOUNT OF FIRE FIGHTERS.
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skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
niiice...

reminds me of the out-of-work fireman in Arizona that started a forest fire, presumably so he could get work. now he's probably picking up trash in an orange jumpsuit in the middle of the fucking desert. jackass....
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Ugh. They caught some fuckwit recently, who had started over 70 fires in my region/regions around here, last year, alone.
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:iconbullet-magnet:
Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Shhh. I'm enjoying my underground airport fantasy.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Are you imagining planes taking off and hitting the roof? because that's what I am :paranoid:
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:iconbullet-magnet:
Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Also landing on the ground, and missing.
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:iconskulkey:
skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
there might be one inside Archuleta mesa... :iconawesomefaceplz:
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
By "Left" do you mean "The Democratic Party of the United States"? If so, then I would say yes, because they are not the least bit left-wing to begin with; they are a far-right political party.

However I do not believe that the true left is entirely lost. Social-Democracy and other forms of left-libertarianism have caught on in some areas of Europe, such as Iceland, Sweden and Switzerland, and such ideologies are beginning to gain mainstream popularity in the States. Even left-wing ideologies which were thought to be dead are being revived as fringe movements of considerable size, such as anarcho-syndicalism, mutualism, councilism and libertarian-socialism. I believe that the left (particularly the libertarian left) can continue to pull through, just as right-wing/market libertarians and individualist-anarchists have managed to do so, despite having periods of decline or appropriation by illegitimate groups.

We just need to market ourselves appropriately and take heed to the bias which has resulted from the appropriation of our movements by our enemies.
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
The Democrats are not far-right at all.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
The US Democrats are center-right. They are still right-wing.
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:iconrestinmotion:
RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Not denying that. I'm saying they are not far-right.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Carter, Clinton and Obama all maintain close ties with the Trilateral Commission, a globalist organization founded and owned by David Rockefeller himself. Members of Monsanto Company and other highly corrupt corporations are usually appointed to advisory positions by Democrats. The Democrats have extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and shunned unemployment rates for the sake of furthering a neoliberal, pro-globalist/neo-imperial agenda. (Clinton was downright evil in this regard, with NAFTA and the likes, contributing to all forms of genocide, mass-rape and loss of workers' rights as a result of his administration's meddling with overseas economies.) The Affordable Healthcare Act is a neoliberal scheme; it is little more than a legislation to ensure that the healthcare industry maintains its grotesque profits in lieu of the baby boomers reaching Medicare-eligible age. They use civil rights issues to gain support during elections and then forget about those issues immediately after they are re-elected, putting them off for 'future generations to worry about'. Etc, etc...

I could go on and on. The Democratic Party is only "left" to somebody who has no comprehension whatsoever of the word. They are nothing more than a guise set up to marginalize the left and keep us out of mainstream politics.
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:iconrestinmotion:
RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
You say they aren't left but describe them as neo-liberal, which is on the left. The Democratic Party is on the left. Not far on the left. But they certainly are not far-right.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
*Was he
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Reagan was a neoliberal you fool! What he a left-winger?

Neoliberalism is the advocacy of unrestricted trade combined with a globist agenda; a form of radical capitalism, thus radically right-wing. Understand what is being discussed before spouting off like a belligerent.
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:iconrestinmotion:
RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I do understand. Neo-liberal is an ideology on the left of the scale. Not far-left at all, but it is on the left. Either way, it's certainly not on the far right. You won't find a single person who is actually educated in political science that will tell you neo-liberalism is a far-right ideology.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
the term neo-liberal is referring to anyone with economics based on "classical english liberalism revival", liberal being relivant to the 17th century. Aka, free trade, aka libertarianism.

the term isn't a great one to use when talking about American politics, because American liberalism comes accross as something entirely different.
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:iconrestinmotion:
RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I know what the term neo-liberal means. That's why I'm saying it is not the farthest of right ideologies.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
No, you do not understand. You are completely in the dark and have not even the slightest fucking clue as to what you are talking about.

"You won't find a single person who is actually educated in political science that will tell you neo-liberalism is a far-right ideology."

Except Noam Chomsky, Hans-Werner Sinn, Sheldon Richman, Taylor C. Boas, Jordan Gans-Morse, Anna Okatenko, Wayne Brittenden, Werner Abelshauser, David R. Howell, David Harvey, David Nolan, Mamadou Diallo and every other credible source.

I dare you to find me a single educated individual who does NOT consider neo-liberalism a far-right ideology, if not THE furthest right one can get on the authoritarian end of things.
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:iconrestinmotion:
RestInMotion Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I completely understand actually. Neo-liberalism is not a far right ideology. That's literally all there is to it. But I'm sure every source I've heard regarding neo-liberalism is completely wrong simply because you say so. I should probably bring that up to the four professors I've had. While I'm at is I should write in to CNN and demand that every political science and government textbook I have had recant their description of neo-liberalism.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The Left is Labour, not radical fringe groups.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Labor. Even though we spell it labour in normal usage, it's Labor when referring to the party.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I am not talking about the Party exactly.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Is it really so hard to put these details into your thread? :slow:
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
And I was supposed to come to this conclusion based on your extremely vague, sixteen-word post?
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Banjo Patterson is an Australia poet, So I'm going to say that it's about the Labor party :B
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I should have simply checked the OP's page to see where he is from.

I do not know enough about Australian politics to give a legitimate opinion, nor do I have time to do any research on the matter at the moment.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I don't blame you, Australian politics are dull compared to American.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It's not exactly.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
You can't lump different countries left's together. The left in Australia is more 'socialist' (using that term very loosely.), less forward in regards to gay rights but doesn't want as much regulation within economics, when you compare them to America's left.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Quite true; when you are comparing parties, there are significant differences. But I am not a Party man, therefore I don't give a stuff about the parties.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
But even if you ignore parties, and look at just countries, those differences still ring true.


Look at the HECS/HELP system here, but I haven't heard of one person wanting a similar system in America.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The Left is failing in all countries because it has lost touch with its roots.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
In personal polls, Abbott is at all time low, and it's a close race between The Liberal National Party and Labor. I wouldn't call that failing.

If Liberal National Party tried to win the next Election using Abbott, which it looks like they may, it will not be a landslide.


I wouldn't call that 'failing'.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
You are not exactly coherent.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I tend to be brief, very brief.
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