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Is there any justification in blocking Palestinian bid in the UN?

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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
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"Palestinian leaders in the West Bank will ask the UN to upgrade Palestine's status by the end of the month.
The request to admit Palestine as a "non-member observer state" is being made despite US and Israeli opposition."

What argument do people think can honestly be made to justify refusing this? The settlements may be an issue along with militant attacks and territorial disputes but nations have been admitted into the UN after far worse.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
how can you be part of the united nations when at no point in the history of mankind have you been a nation?????
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:iconragerancher:
Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
You don't think Kosovo should be allowed in the UN then? How about South Sudan?
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
fuck the UN...its the most corrupt organization on Earth
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:iconragerancher:
Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I'd take the UN over a 3rd world war any day.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
the world is always at war
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:iconragerancher:
Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
But not a world war
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Have to understand Israel wields an absurd control over international politics. If Palestine is recognized as a sovereign nation Israel will have to answer for crimes against humanity.
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YamaTheSpaceFish Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It dissuades certain other groups from claiming statehood.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Given the 'Palestinians' penchant for joining extremist groups to achieve their ends I am not in favor.

Hamas has on numerous occasions said they will never recognize Israel as a sovereign state.

Issues with women's rights, ethnic and religious equality, homophobia, and so forth all make the case that a
Palestinian state should not be recognized until they get their asses off of their heads.

It doesn't matter that currently recognized states do the same or worse. The fact is we, as a global community, should have at least some standards.

Plus, fuck the UN.:iconbirdplz:
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propstoart Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
"Issues with women's rights, ethnic and religious equality, homophobia, and so forth all make the case that a
Palestinian state should not be recognized until they get their asses off of their heads." - The very same argument could have been used to justify the British aggression in the American War - "just imagine the carnage (The US Civil War) that could have been avoided by 'pacifying' the 'patriots".

On a tangent, yes, the UN is a dummy for US.. Very little good seems to come of it..
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
There was no UN or global representative body back then. That stuff doesn't matter.
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:iconskulkey:
skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
way to conflate hamas and the west bank.

also, i prefer :iconfingerplz:
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
They're the main governing body is half the so called Palestinian areas, that must be accounted for.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I also don't like the shoot first and ask questions later, sometimes of hamas, Israels slide away from democracy, new censorhip laws, and tollerance and support of the ultra orthodox, who are every one bit as extreme, biggoted, and assbackwards as hamas will ever be.

They collect state checks, don't serve in the IDF, vote en mass, and treat women like shit, and routinely stone outsiders for not observing their strict dress codes.

Given the fact we subsidized the Israeli government, our money is paying for it.

Israeli has always touted themselves out and out as a "socialist" state, backed up with ethnonationalist rhetoric that would make the rest of the "civilized" world blush.

I don't see them as the worst there is, but I also say our current policy of apologizing for them, and backing every last thing they ever do is fail, and we should be more even handed.
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nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
That and perhaps more liberal reasons, like not wanting to legitimise another country whose government believes that the testimony of a woman should only be worth half that of a man, and that homosexuality deserves the death penalty, and so on and so forth.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Sounds like Iran, who's got a much higher status with the UN than that.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
that tells you pretty much all you need to know about the UN
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:iconnerofly:
nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Quite. Do you want another Iran in the UN?
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:iconskulkey:
skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
as a non-member observer? who cares?
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
who cares about the UN...its incredibly corrupt, basically a money laundering and spy scam paid for by American taxpayers
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:iconnerofly:
nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
People care because that's the first step to full membership. The Palestinian Government already has permanent representatives in the UN if I'm not mistaken, so this is not about giving them an opportunity to get their point across.
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skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
so a slippery-slope argument, then? okay.
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:iconnerofly:
nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
It's not really a slippery slope argument. The request is for recognition of Palestine as a sovereign state. The Palestinian Government already has observer status.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
did you read something different in the OP to me, or have more information?

"The request to admit Palestine as a 'non-member observer state' is being made despite US and Israeli opposition"
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
It doesn't matter to me. What does matter is fairness and equality for all nations, and not being discriminatory because one country's belief system or culture is different.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Palestine is not a nation, at best they are a tool used by Islamist as an excuse to kill all jews in the Middle east
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Israel is barely a nation. I don't see why we can't just move forward with a two-nation system.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
why, not? As soon as the Arabs give them their own land its as good as done
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
If the culture is shit then they need to be treated like shit
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, fuck the golden rule!
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
dont' forget christians are evil...no morals, no standards, no soul, no God....the only way to live...right?
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Not evil, just hugely misguided.
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:iconnerofly:
nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
So it's okay that women can't inherit and might well end up getting stoned to death for being raped? That's just their culture and they deserve our respect for that?
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
It's not our business. We can't impose our standards and culture on other countries. What we can do is give them equal representation as a country because that's what they are, a government.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
I thought liberals were hung up on the War on Women thingy
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Women don't have thingies.
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nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
It is our business, because they're asking us to recognise their legitimacy.

And no, they're not a country. Countries have borders, and the Palestinian Liberation Organisation are not going to be able to come up with a proposal for borders which is acceptable to the UN and which is acceptable to Hamas and their supporters.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I was actually referring to Iran in that. Evidently, you missed the point.
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:iconnerofly:
nerofly Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
It would depend what borders they come up with.
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:iconabstract-mindser:
Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Because nobody wants to house and board the Israeli, because then the crosshairs would be on them.

But more truthfully? Because the USA is a dick.
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:iconskulkey:
skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
spite, i imagine.
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:iconprincess-amy:
Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
By refusing then amy legitimacy it gives the Israeli's and their allies the USA more time to completely wipe out the Palestinians.
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
so why is it taking so long dear?
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
:rofl:

The population is growing, not shrinking.
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:iconprincess-amy:
Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Taller palestinians could be good for their future i suppose.
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:iconajglass:
AJGlass Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
If Israel actually wanted the Palestinians completely wiped out, they'd already be gone.
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:iconprincess-amy:
Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Nah ah they'd still be there, just a little more dead.
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:iconajglass:
AJGlass Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Zombies... :paranoid:
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:iconprincess-amy:
Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Maybees
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:iconpropstoart:
propstoart Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Not without the silence from the wider world that we currently have.. The Israeli apartheid state could teach the Third Reich a thing or two about genocide..
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