Is there any justification in blocking Palestinian bid in the UN?


Ragerancher's avatar
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"Palestinian leaders in the West Bank will ask the UN to upgrade Palestine's status by the end of the month.
The request to admit Palestine as a "non-member observer state" is being made despite US and Israeli opposition."

What argument do people think can honestly be made to justify refusing this? The settlements may be an issue along with militant attacks and territorial disputes but nations have been admitted into the UN after far worse.
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meanus's avatar
how can you be part of the united nations when at no point in the history of mankind have you been a nation?????
Ragerancher's avatar
You don't think Kosovo should be allowed in the UN then? How about South Sudan?
meanus's avatar
fuck the UN...its the most corrupt organization on Earth
Ragerancher's avatar
I'd take the UN over a 3rd world war any day.
meanus's avatar
the world is always at war
Ragerancher's avatar
But not a world war
FerricPlushy's avatar
Have to understand Israel wields an absurd control over international politics. If Palestine is recognized as a sovereign nation Israel will have to answer for crimes against humanity.
YamaTheSpaceFish's avatar
It dissuades certain other groups from claiming statehood.
EbolaSparkleBear's avatar
Given the 'Palestinians' penchant for joining extremist groups to achieve their ends I am not in favor.

Hamas has on numerous occasions said they will never recognize Israel as a sovereign state.

Issues with women's rights, ethnic and religious equality, homophobia, and so forth all make the case that a
Palestinian state should not be recognized until they get their asses off of their heads.

It doesn't matter that currently recognized states do the same or worse. The fact is we, as a global community, should have at least some standards.

Plus, fuck the UN.:iconbirdplz:
propstoart's avatar
"Issues with women's rights, ethnic and religious equality, homophobia, and so forth all make the case that a
Palestinian state should not be recognized until they get their asses off of their heads." - The very same argument could have been used to justify the British aggression in the American War - "just imagine the carnage (The US Civil War) that could have been avoided by 'pacifying' the 'patriots".

On a tangent, yes, the UN is a dummy for US.. Very little good seems to come of it..
EbolaSparkleBear's avatar
There was no UN or global representative body back then. That stuff doesn't matter.
skulkey's avatar
way to conflate hamas and the west bank.

also, i prefer :iconfingerplz:
EbolaSparkleBear's avatar
They're the main governing body is half the so called Palestinian areas, that must be accounted for.
JackMolotov3's avatar
I also don't like the shoot first and ask questions later, sometimes of hamas, Israels slide away from democracy, new censorhip laws, and tollerance and support of the ultra orthodox, who are every one bit as extreme, biggoted, and assbackwards as hamas will ever be.

They collect state checks, don't serve in the IDF, vote en mass, and treat women like shit, and routinely stone outsiders for not observing their strict dress codes.

Given the fact we subsidized the Israeli government, our money is paying for it.

Israeli has always touted themselves out and out as a "socialist" state, backed up with ethnonationalist rhetoric that would make the rest of the "civilized" world blush.

I don't see them as the worst there is, but I also say our current policy of apologizing for them, and backing every last thing they ever do is fail, and we should be more even handed.
nerofly's avatar
That and perhaps more liberal reasons, like not wanting to legitimise another country whose government believes that the testimony of a woman should only be worth half that of a man, and that homosexuality deserves the death penalty, and so on and so forth.
mgonzales041090's avatar
Sounds like Iran, who's got a much higher status with the UN than that.
meanus's avatar
that tells you pretty much all you need to know about the UN
nerofly's avatar
Quite. Do you want another Iran in the UN?
skulkey's avatar
as a non-member observer? who cares?
meanus's avatar
who cares about the UN...its incredibly corrupt, basically a money laundering and spy scam paid for by American taxpayers
nerofly's avatar
People care because that's the first step to full membership. The Palestinian Government already has permanent representatives in the UN if I'm not mistaken, so this is not about giving them an opportunity to get their point across.
skulkey's avatar
so a slippery-slope argument, then? okay.
nerofly's avatar
It's not really a slippery slope argument. The request is for recognition of Palestine as a sovereign state. The Palestinian Government already has observer status.
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mgonzales041090's avatar
It doesn't matter to me. What does matter is fairness and equality for all nations, and not being discriminatory because one country's belief system or culture is different.