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We're Going Off a Big Cliff

:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
With Obama's victory over Romney, the United States is in dire straights. We're heading for a cliff and the brakes have been cut. We're sitting on a bomb, and the fuse has been lit. We're hanging by a thread, and that thread is fraying.

With 4 more years for Obama, we're barreling forward towards the (now inevitable) extreme consequences on all of these issues:

:bulletblack: Partisan polarization
:bulletblack: Racial polarization
:bulletblack: Nixonian politicking
:bulletblack: Economic growth
:bulletblack: The budget deficit
:bulletblack: The size of the national debt
:bulletblack: The US credit rating
:bulletblack: The Fiscal Cliff
:bulletblack: The growth of entitlement programs
:bulletblack: Greek-style bankruptcy and the inevitable austerity that results
:bulletblack: The loss of property rights
:bulletblack: The loss of legal rights
:bulletblack: The loss of free speech
:bulletblack: The marginalization of our Constitution
:bulletblack: The assertion of executive power
:bulletblack: The overall abandonment of liberty
:bulletblack: The price of health care
:bulletblack: Energy prices
:bulletblack: Declining income
:bulletblack: The extraction of greater tax revenue from the people
:bulletblack: Government dependence
:bulletblack: The politicization of science and technology
:bulletblack: Our patent system
:bulletblack: International weakness
:bulletblack: Defenselessness against terrorist attacks

We can't avoid any of it now. By reelecting Obama, the US has doomed itself to decline. It will take generations to undo the damage that was done the night of November 6th, 2012, if it's even possible at all. This is what you've voted for.
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:iconmajinsharingan:
majinsharingan Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
"Partisan polarization"
Would've been just as bad with Romney.

"Racial polarization"
Nope.

"Nixonian politicking"
Was worse with Romney and McCain.

"Economic growth"
The economy is growing.

"The budget deficit"
Would've been worse with Romney.

"The size of the national debt"
Potentially just as bad if not worse with Romney.

"The US credit rating"
Potentially just as bad if not worse with Romney.

"The Fiscal Cliff"
Potentially just as bad if not worse with Romney.

"The growth of entitlement programs"
Potentially just as bad if not worse with Romney.

"Greek-style bankruptcy and the inevitable austerity that results
Potentially just as bad if not worse with Romney.

"The loss of property rights"
Lol, not even close.

"The loss of legal rights"
Lol, not even close

"The loss of free speech"
Lol, not even close

"The marginalization of our Constitution"
Lol, not even close

"The assertion of executive power"
Lol, not even close

"The overall abandonment of liberty"
Lol, not even close

"The price of health care"
You're right, the price of health care will decline.

"Energy prices"
Cleaner energy costs more until we can make it more efficient. That's not Obama's fault, that's just a simple fact. That would be true if Romney, Johnson, or even Big Bird got elected.

"Declining income"
Nope.

"The extraction of greater tax revenue from the people"
The rich people are not the people

"Government dependence"
Nope

"The politicization of science and technology"
Nope

"International weakness
Defenselessness against terrorist attacks"
Lol, not even close.


Overall, you are a moron who I sincerely hope is kidding. If not, I pity the people, if any, that have to deal with you.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
"Partisan polarization"
Its been like this since dubya, and I never saw the republicans or anyone else do a damn thing to quiet it down.

" Racial polarization"
probably less so than the 1990s, at least people have confronted it now. Remember the race riots of the 1990s, Rodney King?

"Nixonian politicking"
Which has been the standard since McGovern lost. How would have Mitt Romney stopped this?

" The budget deficit
:bulletblack: The size of the national debt"
Thats always been a problem, that everyone talks about and no one does shit about.

"The US credit rating"
partisan political knuckledragging in congress, Obama didn't do that.

"The loss of property rights
The loss of legal rights
The loss of free speech"
As compared to what? When was the last time we really had them. While Obama is certainly not going to give them back, most of the rights crushing acts of this generation were made under Bush admin. Can you find me one politician who is going to scale back the surveillance state.

"The overall abandonment of liberty
International weakness
Defenselessness against terrorist attacks"

And how was Mitt Romney going to balance "fighting terrorism" with "preserving libertey"

If anything the unmaintainable wars seem to serve only the interests of defense contractors and don't actively promote US security.

While Obama certainly isn't great, Romney's plan was to further expand our military footprint, buy more extremely expensive naval ships we don't need, and run up cost of military hardware which is not contributing to anything but an unbalanced budget.

"The extraction of greater tax revenue from the people"
by "the people", you mean "corporations, and insanely wealthy"
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:icongluzzmunk:
gluzzmunk Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well then, I shall join you to jump off the cliff.
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:iconblack-allison:
Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Wait, the States wasn't already a polarized racially segregated cesspit?
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:iconabcat:
AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012   Writer
I could take issue with most, if not all of these, I want to single the 14th point out especially, because, to be frank, don't you think the Constitution is a tad overvalued considering it was written by a group of slave owners?
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
That's like saying "don't you think electricity was overvalued because it was discovered by a bunch of slaveowners?"
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:iconabcat:
AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012   Writer
The constitution was written, not discovered. That means who wrote it, and what their values were is an important contextual element to the content of the document.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
the point is you can't judge a document on its own merits without judging those who wrote it.

It wasn't written by all slave holders. You have one giant strawman.
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:icontrorbes:
Trorbes Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Electricity never suggested that "all men are created equal."
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
You're right. That was Thomas Jefferson, the first American abolitionist.
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:icontrorbes:
Trorbes Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Who owned slaves. I believe the point `AbCat was making was that the US Constitution is not the paragon of liberty you make it to be. If the founders of the country considered enslavement of an entire race of people to be an implicit right, then perhaps their constitution isn't the infallible declaration of liberty it's depicted as.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
The Constitution is meant to protect liberty by placing constraints on the government. Certainly, those constraints are not infallible. But that is no reason to completely give up on constraining the government altogether, as we now have.
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:icontrorbes:
Trorbes Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
While I agree the government needs its bounds, the constitution in itself cannot be idolized as the epitome of this concept. It was the federal government which stepped in and forced the individual states to outlaw slavery. It was the federal government which stepped in to ensure women had the right to vote. It was the federal government which ended miscegenation and segregation, and it may be the federal government which ultimately allows same-sex marriage. People argued that all these things were beyond the scope of the federal government, that the constitution guarantees the right of the states to make the decisions themselves, but do you believe liberty to be a world where only white males are liberated? That is why we cannot rely on the constitution to define what is right.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
"It was the federal government which stepped in and forced the individual states to outlaw slavery. It was the federal government which stepped in to ensure women had the right to vote. It was the federal government which ended miscegenation and segregation"

You seem to lack the point. All of these were done with constitutional amendments specificity giving the federal government the power to do so. The amendment process is long, and complicated, and prevents the federal government from giving itself powers at will. In any case, the collective states voted in any case to empower the federal government.

So if your in favor of entirely ignoring the constitution based on a few moot points, what do you propose to put in place to constrain the power of the government?

The constitution, can, and has been amended to protect rights of citizens not previously enumerated. What I don't want is unilatteral action by the federal government in leui of constituional amendments.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
And yet all those changes to bring more freedom happened through amending the Constitution with >2/3rds majorities and state-by-state ratification, not through executive power, simple legislative majorities, or unelected judicial majorities. It is those latter mechanisms that have completely destroyed the power of the Constitution in recent months.
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:icondoctorv23:
DoctorV23 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
:iconomgpanicplz:
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not to mention firing due to Obama winning.

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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Obama will go down in history as the worst president to ever win reelection.
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So far people think Carter is bad. People 'want' healthcare.
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:iconreaperchris13:
Reaperchris13 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student Artist
These are just companies making threats trying to control the system. Fuck them.
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:icondrybonesreborn:
DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What if they can't afford to pay them health care benefits?
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:iconreaperchris13:
Reaperchris13 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student Artist
I doubt Applebee's, Papa Johns, and the other large companies saying this shit can't afford it. These people don't care and probably haven't read much in to the bill. If it is small businesses you speak of then they aren't hurt as well. There are studies that show it.
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:iconisolitude:
ISolitude Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
You mean Obama won? Oh, I hadn't heard.

Well

I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO
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:icontune4jack:
tune4jack Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
The overall abandonment of liberty

Do you expect to be taken seriously? He's not Stalin. How is ALL LIBERTY going to be abandoned? Do you have any concrete, unbiased evidence that Obama has a plan to eliminate all liberty in your country? How does he plan on doing this? Why are you the only one who knows? Are you privy to some special source of information? If you are you should contact the CIA since you apparently already know that the government plans to strip you any freedoms that you have.
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
He doesn't have any unbiased evidence. He's a FOX drone
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:iconragerancher:
Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
*Warning! Independent thought ditected! Terminate terminate TERMINAAAAAATE!*
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I have a sonic screwdriver and I'm not afraid to use it
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:iconragerancher:
Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
You silly person. You should patent it and put it on the market so you can be rich like any NORMAL person would :P
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That would be everything the Doctor wouldn't do
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:iconragerancher:
Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Oh so you're a doctor? Don't you just hate Obamacare? etc etc *insert Republican rantings*
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
HA!

The Doctor would consider them WORSE than Daleks
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:iconobsidianxrogue:
ObsidianXRogue Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just go the hell outside already.:facepalm:
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:iconeman333:
Eman333 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Professional Photographer
You still can't see passed this Red vs Blue bullshit. After all these years.
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:icongussiejives:
gussiejives Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can you really be surprised?

To be fair, Schemer said that Romney was far from his ideal candidate. But he just really really hates Obama because of... I dunno, his weak-sauce health care law might cause Schemer to pay a fine or something.

But based on the conversations I've had with him where he mentions "affirmative action" and "white guilt", I'm convinced he's just a massive racist.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
I don't see it as Red vs Blue. I see it as freedom fighters vs. tyrants. Obama is the most tyrannical leader this country has ever had.
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:icontortellinipen:
TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Tyrants generally don't allow for elections.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. Saddam Hussein. Robert Mugabe of Venezuela.
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:icontortellinipen:
TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Hugo Chavez is definitely not a dictator; the U.S. just hates him: [link]

It's a bit difficult to say that Hussein held fair elections when he won his final term with 100% of the vote.

Unlike Mugabe, Obama did not torture and kill members of the opposing party. Also, Mugabe is the dictator of Zimbabwe, not Venezuela.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Hugo Chavez has fully centralized the Venezuelan economy, nationalized the media and banned opposition stations, and gave his own party full control of election monitoring and manufacture of polling machines. He also sends thugs to beat up members of the opposing party. If Hugo Chavez is not a dictator, then neither is Mugabe, neither was Hussein, and neither was Mussolini.
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:icontortellinipen:
TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Here's people from The Economist discussing the recent Venezuelan election. They conclude that while Chavez has stacked the deck heavily against the opposition, the polls are definitely legit. There were tons of witnesses either way, and random polling machines were checked against the paper ballots. I have found no evidence that Chavez sent thugs to beat up opposition members. And even though Chavez won the election comfortably, this was his narrowest win.

Also, Hussein genocided Kurds, Mugabe made white people GTFO with guns, and Mussolini was a living cartoon character. Chavez is just a swaggering populist who's probably going to die in a a couple of years anyway (he may or may not be in remission from prostate cancer).
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:iconabcat:
AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012   Writer
Kim Jong Il of Kazakhstan. Ferdinand Marcos of Lithuania. Fidel Castro of Alaska.
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:icondragonquestwes:
DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012
George Bush of Iran.
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:iconabcat:
AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012   Writer
Margaret Thatcher of Argentina.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Zimbabwe. Forgive the slip.
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:iconabcat:
AbCat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012   Writer
I enjoyed that one. =p
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:iconeman333:
Eman333 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Professional Photographer
Bullshit.
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:iconladysuzaku:
LadySuzaku Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
You really are a spoiled, selfish little child who doesn't realize how DAMNED LUCKY he is to live in this country. There are countries where people don't even get to vote. Where the closest thing to 'public assistance' is your neighbor a mile down the road and even then there's no guarantee you'll be helped.

A self-important little fool like YOU hasn't a flea's comprehension of tyranny.
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
thats Schemer, meanus et al in a nutshell
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:iconladysuzaku:
LadySuzaku Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
It's unbelievable that these fools think that what's happening now is even remotely CLOSE to tyranny. That's how good they have it if they think laws that help everyone are 'tyranny'.

I'd like to see how long they would last in a country where you don't even have the RIGHT to vote like in this one.
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
mhmm
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