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2 mass shootings in the same month. Let's talk about firearms.

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~mgonzales041090 Aug 6, 2012 Student Traditional Artist

And let's not hide behind the typical (redneck voice) "i need me a well armed militia to protect maself 'gainst ma government!" bullshit. None of you are serious about overthrowing your government because it has turned into a tyranny. The United States has no history of tyranny, and all powers are checked. Quit throwing that around like the government's mass-killing US citizens everyday. Come up with something new.

The United States has an incredibly high level of homicide crime (24th world wide), or crimes committed with firearms (almost disproportional to other states in the world which do not, we're 7th). We also have the highest incarceration rate in the world, which says that the punishment isn't an active deterrent (and I kind of laugh when people say it is).

Onto the point

I want a discussion on exactly how far one thinks the 2nd amendment goes. I want a discussion on how dangerous it is to not have limitations on the 2nd Amendment (should Joeseph Citizen own a Javelin if he wanted?). I want to hear people's ideas about a constitutional amendment which may limit provisions of the 2nd Amendment (such as a constitutional amendment ensuring the right of the people to keep and bear arms, so long as the firearms fall within the regulation of the federal or state government). I want to hear suggestions people!

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~mistrix6 Aug 28, 2012 Professional Traditional Artist

There is always going to be some psycho retard who has to shoot up a theater or something to ruin it for everyone. I wish someone in the theater would have had a gun and shot him in the face and saved lives. If guns are made illegal it gives people no protection from the criminals. Because criminals generally dont give a shit about the law and they will just get illegal guns. durr. Disarming the civilians just makes them easier victims. I bet people would think twice about comiting a crime if say 1 in 4 americans carried a gun on them.

Now having said all that, I'm actually a very peaceful person. But dont take away my tool to protect myself just because there are assholes out there who abuse it.

~mgonzales041090 Aug 28, 2012 Student Traditional Artist

I can't get enough of that analogy.

Criminals don't generally obtain their guns from illegal means. Can you people seriously not comprehend that? It's easy to obtain guns in this country. There are more firearms in civilian populous than there are fucking people (300 million). If you take guns out of the equation, it's not like criminals have this super secret lair of black market goods they go to for the sake of purchasing an AK 47. They usually obtain it from somebody who got it through legal measures, and a high number of people who abused loop holes outside of regulation background checks. If you ban guns, will they still obtain them? Absolutely! But there'll be significantly less available to be obtained, and significantly easier to weed out when they are obtained.

You know my problem with guns in this country? It's practically a religion. You've got a gun culture in this country so fiercely devoted to firearms that they think will save their life or everyone's life if trouble comes up. You're not fucking vulnerable to anyone. This is just a gun-nuts wet dream. No body ever ends up saving lives because they have a gun unless they're a police officer. This is just a huge generalization. What kills me is the gun lobbyists watch Red Dawn as if it were a fucking documentary. It's not a training video, and you people aren't Chuck Norris. You honestly think the answer to less gun violence is MORE guns in the public?

inb4 you cite Switzerland as an example, which is a flimsy example at best considering the citizens of Switzerland have to be trained in their firearm as a mandatory check. Switzerland doesn't have the crime rate of the US, nor do they have the large income inequality of the US.

Australia has seen good results as far as gun violence goes when they stamped down. Instead of saying "well if you take away ma guns, then dem there criminals will just use knives", examine how much more difficult it is to use a knife than a gun for the sake of committing mass-murders. I seldom hear of "stabbing massacres" in the news, but we as a nation can't get enough of firearm violence. Everyone has guns here. Everyone shoots people here. You don't need a magazine with more than 10 rounds. You don't need hallow point ammunition. You don't need an assault weapon.

Another thing that kills me is the 2nd amendment citation. Great, it says you can keep and bear arms. That's fine. When it was written, they had flint lock muskets at best. If they had AK-47s and Hellfire Missiles at the time, they might have rethought that bit. You don't have a "right" to a gun asshole. It's a privilege and a responsibility, and it's actively misused by the gun lobby. It kills me when people misconstrue this "right" to mean the door is open to anything, and they have a "right" to weapons. How do we tackle the gun problem of the country to them? More guns. Should we give everybody nukes to deter nuclear warfare too?

Poverty is strongly associated with crime. Same with a lack of education. For some reason though, you Repubs just insist on cutting education as if it were a rainy-day savings account, and giving tax breaks to the rich, as if this will magically make the poor minorities stop committing crimes. At the same time, it's always the Republicans who are so fiercely for guns while blissfully ignoring the consequences of having guns so easily reachable. Everytime a massacre happens, the NRA comes out and says don't blame guns. They're in the pockets of the Supreme Court, and the Republican party, so nothing will ever get done. It's sad that they can't see the correlation between the incredible accessibility of guns and our gun-violence rate. Guns don't kill people? Bullshit. It's a device created with the sole purpose of killing. They do kill people.

Also I'd like to point out that Somalia is a country where there is a very well armed civilian populous. Do you honestly think guns have made that a better place?

~mistrix6 Aug 28, 2012 Professional Traditional Artist

They will just get the guns from mexico or somewhere else... They are criminals... When america makes something illegal it then becomes a very expensive import. Criminals buy and sell weapons all the time. The ones with criminal records cant go to the gun show and buy them as it is. They buy them on the black market. Only non criminals get them at gun shows or gun stores. So I really dont know wtf you are talking about. Face it, theres really nothing you can do to completely remove guns from people who would misuse them. If they want guns they will find a way.

And yes, I am vulnerable to someone. I'm a woman and as much as it sucks to say it, physicly I'm weaker than men. A weapon would help me to defend myself. Without some sort of upper hand I would make a fairly easy victim. I do own a gun, and I keep it put away in case I ever need it because it is better to have it not ever need it then to need it and not have it. I'm not a "gun nut" who stock piles 50 guns and and is just itching for an excuse to shoot someone. Although if someone practices safety I dont see anything wrong with collecting guns. I'm a single woman in a major city. I'm a passive person. I'm a peaceful person. I believe violence is bad. But Im not a fucking moron, I know there are bad people out there. I know the odds of some douchebag walking in my house to rob me or rape me or whatever are slim, but it's naive to think it cant happen.

Also, I'm not a republican so dont lump me in with those asshats please.

~jamesholmesplz Aug 24, 2012

Frankly I don't see what the big deal is. It's my right to own guns, give me a break people! Doesn't anybody respect the constitution anymore?

~mgonzales041090 Aug 24, 2012 Student Traditional Artist

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~infinitetolerance Aug 24, 2012

The right to bear arms is a very good subject.

Should we allow citizens to wield nukes? Obviously not. But, then, how far does the 2nd amendment go? I say, any weapon designed to kill another human being should be outlawed. Rifles and such can obviously be used for hunting.

Also, felons can't have weapons, which is a breach of the 2nd amendment.

~mistrix6 Aug 28, 2012 Professional Traditional Artist

If guns are outlawed dont you think the mafia, and gangs and criminals will still get them?

~5-7x28mm Aug 27, 2012 Hobbyist Writer

how far does the 2nd amendment go? I say, any weapon designed to kill another human being should be outlawed. Rifles and such can obviously be used for hunting.

Do you remember what the 2nd Amendment even says?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Last I checked, deer and turkey were not a threat to the country's security, people were. The 2nd Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.

~infinitetolerance Aug 28, 2012

the right to bear arms does

~5-7x28mm Aug 28, 2012 Hobbyist Writer

It does what? Apply to hunting? No, not in the slightest.

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