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~maelarias Jan 27, 2009, 7:08:27 PM
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First of all excuse me for my deficient English.

On next February Venezuelans will take part again in a few electoral assemblies to decide the approval or rejection of an offer of constitutional reform that will allow Chavez to be a candidate presidency all times he wish and knowing that possesses a popularity of 70 % them we suppose that if Chavez win the popular consultation of February 15, he will be a president of Venezuela for a long time.

The intention of this post is to show the results of the different studies of opinion brings about the offer of Chávez's amendment and this way to show a clearer panorama before the Referendum is carried out.

Regards.

Not: those who reject the amendment
YES: those who approve the amendment

November, 2008. Datanalisis: NOT: 56 %; YES: 25.5 %
December, 2008. Hinterlaces: NOT: 61 %; YES: 32 %
December, 2008. Ecoanalitica: NOT: 65 %; YES: 31 %
December, 2008. GSI XXI: NOT: 42 %; YES: 53 %
December, 2008. Keller: NOT: 68 %; YES: 31 %
December, 2008. GSI XXI: NOT: 39 %; YES: 51 %
December, 2008. Datanalisis: NOT: 52 %; YES: 29 %
December, 2008. IVAD: NOT: 42 %; YES: 48 %
December, 2008. Consultores 21: NOT: 56 %; YES: 41 %
January, 2009. IVAD: NOT: 45.9 %; YES: 54 %
January, 2009. CECA: NOT 49%; YES: 39%

Español
Ante todo pido disculpa por mi deficiente ingles.

En el mes de febrero los venezolanos participaremos de nuevo en unos comicios electorales para decidir la aprobación o rechazo de una propuesta de reforma constitucional que le permitirá ser candidato presidencia cuantas veces el desee y conociendo que el posee una popularidad del 70% es de suponer que de ganar la consulta popular del 15 febrero, Chávez será presidente de Venezuela por un largo tiempo.

La intención de esta entrada es mostrar los resultados de los diferentes estudios de opinión acerca de la propuesta de enmienda de Chávez para así mostrar un panorama más claro mucho antes de que se lleve a cabo el Referéndum.

Saludos.

No: los que rechazan la enmienda
SI: Los que aprueban la enmienda

Noviembre 2008. Datanalisis: NO: 56%; SI: 25.5%
Diciembre 2008. Hinterlaces: NO: 61%; SI: 32%
Diciembre 2008. Ecoanalitica: NO: 65%; SI: 31%
Diciembre 2008. GIS XXI: NO: 42%; SI: 53%
Diciembre 2008. Keller: NO: 68%; SI: 31%
Diciembre 2008. GIS XXI: NO: 39%; SI: 51%
Diciembre 2008. Datanalisis: NO: 52%; SI: 29%
Diciembre 2008. IVAD: NO: 42%; SI: 48%
Diciembre 2008. Consultores 21: NO: 56%; SI: 41%
Enero 2009. IVAD: NO: 45.9%; SI: 54%
Enero 2009. CECA: NO: 49%; SI: 39%

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=OuroborosCobra Jan 27, 2009, 7:25:24 PM
While I am not a fan of Hugo Chavez, this particular action, on its own, does not rank Venezuela higher on the level of "non-democratic nations."

He would still have to stand for re-election at the end of every term of office. The only thing "removing term limits" does is make it so that he can have as many terms in office as the people decide to elect him to. This does not make him an automatic "leader for life," like Kim Jong-Il or something.

This is not an unusual situation to have in modern democracies, either. The United Kingdom does not have term limits on its Prime Minister, for example. Most people don't consider the UK to not be among the worlds strong democracies. Hell, the United States did not have term limits on the president until 1951. I doubt most people consider that to be the mark of when the US went from a despotic or dictatorial state to a democratic one. If the Venezuelan people choose to grant this power, via a legal and fair election, who are we to say no?

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~GlassArrowz Jan 27, 2009, 7:48:30 PM
Well put.

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=spcefrk Jan 27, 2009, 8:00:22 PM
Term limits are not necessarily a great thing. Suppose your currently leader is doing an unusually great job. Are two terms (as in the US) enough if he still feels up to the task and the country is still behind him? Why arbitrarily limit the number of terms he can run (particularly when mortality has a nice way of fixing that on its own).

Maybe the best use of a term limit is that the incumbent can't effectively hold the country for ransom every election season (touting some crisis as reason enough to 'stay the course';). The founding fathers (of the US) put a lot of trust in the American electorate not to choose complete idiots but were clever enough to put in some protections in the event that we do. Some of them are annoyances when we disagree with them at the time and others are heralded as genius when they save us from ourselves.

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=OuroborosCobra Jan 27, 2009, 8:46:59 PM
You and I seem to have closed this one up. Want to talk about the FCC and spectrum selling (as opposed to licensing)? I'm opposed.

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=spcefrk Jan 27, 2009, 8:56:03 PM
Wouldn't be much of a debate :D

I am, however, getting a Kenwood D710A and matching AvMap G5 for APRS balloon/rocket tracking and ARES/RACES work. Might go so far as putting a weather station on my Land Rover and chasing storms. But that would come later.

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~Iron-Confederate Jan 27, 2009, 9:35:39 PM
There is a legal concept that is called "coattailling." If the well performed president has spent his term limits, he can send in another guy in his place and to main tain. However, coatailling can be good unless the guy that has been picked for substitution is a total dolt.

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~inmc Jan 28, 2009, 5:45:08 AM
Same here in Germany, you can be reelected as cancellor forever, at least in theory. But after some years people just want to see a new face, even if you did an excellent job.

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~maelarias Jan 28, 2009, 4:11:33 PM
New study

January, 2009. Datanalisis NOT 48.1; YES: 51.5
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*MichelleBurnette Jan 28, 2009, 4:37:59 PM
This seems to be how dictatorships form from democracies. The next step would be for him to have a good hand in the election, messing with the results, or intimidating political dissident/opponents.

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*Shidaku Jan 28, 2009, 5:27:18 PM
I would agree that these tend to be the precursor to a dictatorship, I think Hugo Chavez would do his country well to have somebody new elected and keep himself on the sidelines as a sort of "face" for the nation. Sorta like how France's President has power, but only truly on foreign affairs, and the PM does all the national stuff.

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