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People speak of change, & I seriously want to know, what change do you see with Obama?
What change do you think there would be, save for the following?
"He's the first African American president" - if you voted for him because he's black; whether you choose to admit it or not, then you are ignorant & should be shot. A president should NOT be known for being, "The first African American President" or "The 44th White President". I hear every news channel this morning sounding, "The first African American President" & it makes me think, with this presidential race, if Obama would've lost, would they have said, "The 44th White President?"

His vote for gay marriages to be legalized?
Let's break this down. If you are anything close to religious, you should know that love, from the bible, SEX, should be between a MAN & a WOMAN. There was no Adam & Evan, there was Adam & EVE. MARRIAGE was constructed to be a holy union between a man & woman, not man & man, not woman & woman. Sure, be bi, mess around if it floats your boat, but marriage should be kept between a MAN & a WOMAN.

The fact that he leaned more towards Abortion?
I wonder...would it have anything to do with the rumors speculating that he has 3 children to 3 different women?
I wonder, aren't the same people who'd vote for abortion, save for rape, incest, or medical hazards, the same people who are disrespectful to themselves? Who are promiscuous? Who make excuses when it comes to using protection or being RESPONSIBLE?

Is the "Universal Healthcare" plan that he speaks of one of the changes you think there is?
Funny...he's also promising a tax cut, which means people pay less, to no taxes. What do you think pays for health care? Funny how both of those plans contradict the other. Which means he's full of shit.

Is what you want to see as change, the fact that he speaks of cutting taxes for the poor, unemployed, lazy asses who most of which, feed off of welfare AS IS; just to rob the middle class & hard working private owned companies, or any of which that make $200k+, just to give those same unemployed, poor, welfare draining people; who use their backgrounds or situation as an excuse not to better their situation, as an excuse for their life...is change you like to see, him offering to give those same people, our hard earned money?

Is bringing the troops home after January a change you see?
It's the same ignorant Americans who think that pulling the troops out now would be smart; who DO NOT REALIZE THAT OUR WORK OF HELPING REBUILD WHAT WAS DESTROYED, IS NOT FINISHED?! Do you not realize that leaving it as it is now, will only leave reason for that nation to retaliate? To rise up against us in time? To even encourage more terroristic acts against America? I'm sorry, but if we leave their nation in complete disaster as it is now, before working to begin rebuilding it; then that would have been nothing, but a terroristic act from America against them.

Is change the fact that he's been sponcered by the Black Panthers change? Sponcered By an American terrorist who credited more than $200 to Obama's campaign, who bombed American government structures in the 70s...is that the change you want to look at?


I'm just curious, from an intellectual, curious, possibly debating point of view....
What change do you think you see?


I will also add one personal point of view for you fellow, intelligent, honorable, McCain supporters...

I love how Obama/Osama voters are now saying that we're just trying to divide the country & are bitter. When the truth is, the country IS divided, it always has been. There are territory lines, between the north & the south. The country is divided because the North is normally democratic, where the South is normally republican. I firmly believe that the only reason why McCain lost, is due to the influence that people allowed Bush to have over the republican party. That & the fact that Obama hard people vote this year, that normally do not care enough to. More of the African vote, more of the young vote, of ignorant, biased, typical partying college students, eh. "Obama is Tech savy! He's young! He's cool!" Lmao...

Now; that statement can piss anyone off, I don't care. I'm as entitled to say it, as people are entitled to vote for Obama, even when most of them knew shit about his policies.

I've asked so many Obama supporters, why they voted for him, or why they were voting for him, & yet none of them could seem to give a real reason. Some would say change, without any real fact to back up that statement to even be able to use it as a proper reason. Some would bullshit about it being because they like his policies, when they couldn't prove that they even knew what half of his were, or even the pros & cons to them, as if they didn't even think about how they could play out.

If you ask me why I didn't vote for Obama, I won't say something ignorant & pitiful like so many people have themselves.
I won't say that I didn't vote for Obama because he's black & if YOU try to say that I didn't vote for him because he's black, & that I'm racist, well if you're black & voted for Obama, people could accuse you of only voting for him because he's black & not voting for McCain because he's white. So don't pull that shit all because YOU'RE the one who's secretly bitter over who didn't think Obama was the right candidate.

I'd say that I didn't vote for Obama because of his inexperience with the military.
I'd say that I didn't vote for Obama because of his inexperience with the government.
I'd say that I didn't vote for Obama because of his inexperience with the economy.
I'd say that I didn't vote for Obama because of the fact that his tax cut & health care policies completely contradict the other.

I'd say that I didn't vote for Obama because of the fact that his plan to rob private companies & businesses of more taxes from their hard-earned company, just to give money to the unemployed, poor, encourages more people not to get off of their asses to get a job & to continue to feed off of the government. Sorry, but the poor are poor for a reason & the rich are successful for a reason. Those who use the excuse of their upbringing, their past, their family background, or even the place they grew up; are only trying to put pity on themselves. Sorry, but I'd rather my hard earned money go toward health care, I'd rather my hard earned money go toward what I work so hard for, not to give money to people who can work, who aren't disabled, but refuse to because it's easier to rely on those food stamps every month, or that welfare check.

My prediction is as follows...
The democrats may have won the office right now, & Obama may even take 4 years term, hell, even if he does 8... The democrats will not hold power. They aren't strong enough & most of their policies will not work in this country. They completely take the meaning of "By the people, for the people" & twist it, when THAT is originally what this country was built upon. BY the people, FOR the people. By the success of the people, for the success of the people. Democrats believe that success of the rich, who worked their asses off, should be given to the poor. That a man's success should not be his own. Where the republic believe that a man's success, is his hard-earned success. I, am a proud liberal & I think the government has had enough time & fun overstepping the boundaries of the original founding fathers & what this country stood for.

So sue me if I didn't vote for Obama, but at least I have REAL, well structured statements to back up my reason as to why.

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If you are anything close to religious, you should know that love, from the bible, SEX, should be between a MAN & a WOMAN.

What if you're not anything close to religious and therefore couldn't give a toss what the stupid goddamned Bible says? Fuck the fucking Bible up its stupid homophobic metaphorical ass.

I wonder...would it have anything to do with the rumors speculating that he has 3 children to 3 different women?

Hahaha, you call this a "real" reason? A rumour that he impregnated some womens?

:noes::megaphone:OH NOES!

I love how Obama/Osama voters are now saying that we're just trying to divide the country & are bitter.

Oh, and there was me thinking Joe Biden was Obama's VP.

Do you really expect me to read the whole thing having found these choice turds in that pointless sack of shit you call a "set of well structured statements"?

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didn't obama himselve say that race isnt' to be an issue?

yet i believe it was a bigger issue then many will aqnowledge. and the medias gonna hype it up now and we'll never hear the end of it like the misguided bush bashing... well honestly i feel obama would have lost by a small amount if he was just a white man... just my 2 cents

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Sigh...

His vote for gay marriages to be legalized?
Let's break this down. If you are anything close to religious, you should know that love, from the bible, SEX, should be between a MAN & a WOMAN. There was no Adam & Evan, there was Adam & EVE. MARRIAGE was constructed to be a holy union between a man & woman, not man & man, not woman & woman. Sure, be bi, mess around if it floats your boat, but marriage should be kept between a MAN & a WOMAN.


This assumes the Bible is the authority on marriage. I have yet to see any proof [read: sound argument] of this.

The fact that he leaned more towards Abortion?
I wonder...would it have anything to do with the rumors speculating that he has 3 children to 3 different women? I wonder, aren't the same people who'd vote for abortion, save for rape, incest, or medical hazards, the same people who are disrespectful to themselves? Who are promiscuous? Who make excuses when it comes to using protection or being RESPONSIBLE?


This is a generalization based on a absolutely nothing more than, as far as I can tell, a personal bias. If you have an evidence for this claim please display it.

Is the "Universal Healthcare" plan that he speaks of one of the changes you think there is?
Funny...he's also promising a tax cut, which means people pay less, to no taxes. What do you think pays for health care? Funny how both of those plans contradict the other. Which means he's full of shit.


Tax cuts do not mean that people pay "no taxes" it merely means that people pay "less taxes". Obama, if I understand his policies correctly (and if I don't please correct me) also plans to cut the spending of other Government programs, effectively "freeing up" more money for things such as health care. I'm going to assume you fail to understand what you're driving at here, unless you can prove me otherwise. I see not inherent contradiction between cutting taxes and providing universal health care.

Is bringing the troops home after January a change you see?
It's the same ignorant Americans who think that pulling the troops out now would be smart; who DO NOT REALIZE THAT OUR WORK OF HELPING REBUILD WHAT WAS DESTROYED, IS NOT FINISHED?! Do you not realize that leaving it as it is now, will only leave reason for that nation to retaliate? To rise up against us in time? To even encourage more terroristic acts against America? I'm sorry, but if we leave their nation in complete disaster as it is now, before working to begin rebuilding it; then that would have been nothing, but a terroristic act from America against them.


This topic has been discussed at length elsewhere, hence I will not take it up in this post.

In short, as far as I can tell your dissatisfaction with the Obama supporters point of view arises from a conflicting set of beliefs. That is, the Obama supporter holds set A, while you hold set B. Unless you are willing to engage in discussion to see which of the two sides is right, instead of assuming that you are right and proceeding to doubt everything that has been said, this thread will be nothing more than a giant flame. I advise you to step back, and rethink your position on this issues.

Till then, kudos.

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His vote for gay marriages to be legalized?
Let's break this down. If you are anything close to religious, you should know that love, from the bible, SEX, should be between a MAN & a WOMAN. There was no Adam & Evan, there was Adam & EVE. MARRIAGE was constructed to be a holy union between a man & woman, not man & man, not woman & woman. Sure, be bi, mess around if it floats your boat, but marriage should be kept between a MAN & a WOMAN.


I'll just repost essentially what I replied to someone who made a similar arguement.

Five words: 'Separation of Church and State'.

A little history: The term 'Separation of Church and State' was coined by President Thomas Jefferson in regards to a letter sent to him by the Danbury Baptists in 1802 who were afraid they would loose their religious liberties. Jefferson wrote back: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

In response to Patrick Henry’s attempt at assessing taxes in Virginia to support churches, Jefferson and James Madison worked together to create the Bill for Religious Freedom which was passed by the Virginia General Assembly in 1786. It says:

“No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

Despite what our currency reads and what many people think, the United States is not a Christian nation. We have no official religion; it’s unconstitutional. We are instead a secular nation. As such, I do not believe, like our Founding Fathers, that the masses should be subject to the laws of any one religion. It is through the supreme law of the land that guarantees an individual’s right to religion, or lack thereof.

Having said that, I do not personally see Gay Marriage as a religious or even political issue; to me it’s a human rights issue. I have no right to tell someone, be they heterosexual or homosexual, that they do not have the right to marry and love another person any more then I have a right to tell someone they can’t worship or practice a religion of their choosing.

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I really wish people like you would revoke their citizenship. You shouldn't be an American.
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Wow. I stopped at the marriage part. No, marriage has no set definition, is not a Christian only ceremony, and referencing the Bible in a human rights debate is just instant fail.

You're either a troll or fundie, and I hope you DIE IN A BUSHFIRE.

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:iconclapplz: That is an awesome plz! I read all that was was thinking holy shit that is too long when I noticed your plz.

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He didn't win because he is half black, it's only been hyped by the media because he is the first half black American President... to a race a people that were once slaves that is a big deal and the media will use it, its called ratings.

You are only saying it now because McCain lost and now you need to feel that there was a reason for it, justification for losing. That there just "has" to be some explanation for it. I am sure one half will say he cheated while the other half will keep living in the past dwelling on racial impudence saying he only won because he is black. Not because he is a good speaker, not because people are sick of Republican bullshit, not because people want a change.

Obama would have won regardless of his race. What amuses me the most is not too long ago I heard other people saying he won't win because he is black... Makes me feel sad that people can't move past the racial lines. You can's see it as a win for both white and black since in a way Obama is I sign of unity between the two races. He has the blood of both , not one.

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