Gay Marriage Legalized in California!!!

hay guise did i miss something?

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Copy and pasted from where I explained my position on gay marriage in another post.

"Before I get any "YOU'RE A HOMOPHOBE!!!11ONe) messages, I have a reason for that.

Marriage is, and always has been, an institution of the church. The foundation of this country has in its base the separation of Church and State. As such, it's wrong for the state to try and define anything that is entirely up to the Church to define.

If gay people want to make their own church and have their own weddings, I'm fine with that. If they want to have civil ceremonies, I'm fine with that too. If they want to register as domestic partners with the government to receive the same benefits that heterosexual couples receive, I'm right behind them on the matter.

But I draw the line at the government defining an institution of the Church. I sympathize with homosexual couples being told by said Church that they can't do something that they want to do, but I consider it more important to protect (for precedent purposes) the Church's right to decide on it's own affairs. That leads us down a path more destructive than the alternative.

So, no, I'm not against gay people or anything. Just against the government trying to thrust itself somewhere it doesn't belong (although it does have a history of doing that, but we gotta draw the line somewhere).

So no messages please "

As I stated there, and will again here, IT IS NOT THE STATE'S JOB TO INSERT ITSELF OR INTERFERE IN THE CHURCH'S AFFAIRS! It never has been, it was intended for it to not be possible, and yet here they are, both inserting and interfering.

It was fine when it was left at it being defining domestic relations, but they've overstepped their bounds by forcing churches to pander to something that they don't believe in and it's violating basic rights. The constitution stands much more in favor of not offending a religion than it does in not offending a sexual persuasion.

Again, I'm not against gay people, I'm against gay marriage. Not against gay domestic relations or against gay marriage when it's a civil ceremony or something, but when churches are being forced to abide by a definition that they don't believe in then it's unconstitutional in much greater magnitudes than it would be inversely.

Marriage is defined by the church. It always has been, and it always should be. Is such a truth a bad day for gay people? Yup. Do I feel sorry for them because of it? Yeah, because I'll get hate messages if I say otherwise . But reality comes down to 1 simple truth- life doesn't go your way, accept it and move on.

It's ridiculous and it leaves much more ground for attacks on its repeal. I was fine with the first decision, but this new one is offensive and very much against my beliefs of the issue in both its political and religious natures.

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California was always gay.

That's a fair opinion. At the same time (you may already agree with this, of course) I believe churches have the right to choose if they allow it or not.


Still, state interference or no, I believe that gays have too long been denied things for reasons we just can't say on the grounds of religion. No matter what we say, it's true that religion has always been seeping in to our state when it comes to gays and gay marriage- hence America being the only NATO country not to approve of gay marriage and hence there still being no civil unions in most states. Really, I almost find it hypocritical, though that doesn't make you wrong.

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Guh, them judges in california r sooo liek GAY 4 doin that..

Joking, I read a political cartoon that basically had the same message. The artist was just butthurt because gays in america have slightly more equal rights than before. God forbid.

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Funny, I could've SWORN someone made a thread about this weeks ago...

Deja vu...

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that makes no sense? Nearly every other culture on earth has some sort of 'marriage' ritual. The whole concept of 'marriage' was NOT defined by the church, as you claim.

Marriage is a state institution, not a religious one. I can (now) get married without having anything to do with the church. Thats what freedom of belief is about.
Now, the state doesn't interfere with other marriages. You can marry whoever you want (i guess as long as you're not immediately related or underage), so why interfere in the case of same-sex partners?

I'm yet to hear a single good reason why they can't marry besides that it offends the church's old-fashioned views.

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