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~sonicbutterfly
May 11, 2008, 2:32:06 AM
What do you think the governments of Mexico and the USA can do to end this "Border War", and protect the everyday citizens?
I don't know
I just thought I'd bump the thread since we've been flooded with all these shitty ones and a half-decent one got no replies.
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May 11, 2008, 2:32:06 AM
What do you think the governments of Mexico and the USA can do to end this "Border War", and protect the everyday citizens?
I don't know
I just thought I'd bump the thread since we've been flooded with all these shitty ones and a half-decent one got no replies.
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~Peacefroggie
May 11, 2008, 2:42:47 AM
Those who know history might cast their minds back to the problems which confronted America during the prohibition-era 20s. Gang violence, police assassinations, widespread smuggling, all that good stuff you can see in The Untouchables, was the direct result of prohibiting a very lucrative trade, rather than swallowing moralistic pride and placing a dangerous substance like alcohol under government oversight.
Without government oversight, the trade is run by whoever has the means to exert control over it. As we learned from Al Capone and the stateside rise of the Italian mob during the 20s, that person will be the most vicious, violent, cunning and ruthless one on the scene. So long as the industry is profitable, new bosses will keep rising up as fast or faster than you can take out the old ones.
We need to show that we've learned from the example of prohibition, and place the illegal drug trade under government regulation and oversight. I think everyone will agree with me that extinguishing the illegal drug trade is not feasible. The question is therefore whether you want this lucrative trade in dangerous substances regulated by violent criminals, or by the government. That's a question with only one reasonable answer.
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May 11, 2008, 2:42:47 AM
Those who know history might cast their minds back to the problems which confronted America during the prohibition-era 20s. Gang violence, police assassinations, widespread smuggling, all that good stuff you can see in The Untouchables, was the direct result of prohibiting a very lucrative trade, rather than swallowing moralistic pride and placing a dangerous substance like alcohol under government oversight.
Without government oversight, the trade is run by whoever has the means to exert control over it. As we learned from Al Capone and the stateside rise of the Italian mob during the 20s, that person will be the most vicious, violent, cunning and ruthless one on the scene. So long as the industry is profitable, new bosses will keep rising up as fast or faster than you can take out the old ones.
We need to show that we've learned from the example of prohibition, and place the illegal drug trade under government regulation and oversight. I think everyone will agree with me that extinguishing the illegal drug trade is not feasible. The question is therefore whether you want this lucrative trade in dangerous substances regulated by violent criminals, or by the government. That's a question with only one reasonable answer.
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~The-Thunder-Fox
May 11, 2008, 6:55:34 AM
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May 11, 2008, 6:55:34 AM
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*DAPoliticalForum
May 11, 2008, 7:17:53 AM
Not only is it lethal, it is destroying the cross-border economy of turism and trade. One does not want to go into Mexico looking wealthy, or be caught by nightfall. You may be kidnapped by cartel members, thugs, or law enforcement alike.
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May 11, 2008, 7:17:53 AM
Not only is it lethal, it is destroying the cross-border economy of turism and trade. One does not want to go into Mexico looking wealthy, or be caught by nightfall. You may be kidnapped by cartel members, thugs, or law enforcement alike.
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~Beautiful-Insanity
May 11, 2008, 7:57:59 AM
We had about 5 resolutions on this topic, and finally came up with a few ideas.. obviously they're not perfect but...
We suggested some better form of border patrol where there'd be a regular rotation of personnel to avoid corruption..
Also some form of port patrol and control in the waters between Mexico and the US.
A stronger UN presence, especially some kind of intelligence service to locate..
Better paid police to decrease corruption.
Brazil's buy back policy... (worked well in Brazil)
Hmm there were more but i forgot...
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May 11, 2008, 7:57:59 AM
We had about 5 resolutions on this topic, and finally came up with a few ideas.. obviously they're not perfect but...
We suggested some better form of border patrol where there'd be a regular rotation of personnel to avoid corruption..
Also some form of port patrol and control in the waters between Mexico and the US.
A stronger UN presence, especially some kind of intelligence service to locate..
Better paid police to decrease corruption.
Brazil's buy back policy... (worked well in Brazil)
Hmm there were more but i forgot...
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*DAPoliticalForum
May 11, 2008, 8:06:40 AM
[link] The Cross of Juarez
This has always been the bane of Mexico. Mexico's law enforcement, politicians, and judiciary have always been so blatantly, street level corrupt that even the citizens of Mexico can find no justice without paying for it. Women, in Juarez, are just pawns of the police and drug cartels, and have been murdered by the hundreds (some claim thousands).
*SwordOfScotland
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May 11, 2008, 8:06:40 AM
[link] The Cross of Juarez
This has always been the bane of Mexico. Mexico's law enforcement, politicians, and judiciary have always been so blatantly, street level corrupt that even the citizens of Mexico can find no justice without paying for it. Women, in Juarez, are just pawns of the police and drug cartels, and have been murdered by the hundreds (some claim thousands).
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~Beautiful-Insanity
May 11, 2008, 8:16:24 AM
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May 11, 2008, 8:16:24 AM
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~Iron-Confederate
May 11, 2008, 5:46:45 PM
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May 11, 2008, 5:46:45 PM
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Yes, you fuckin' paranoid schizophrenic, I am actually threatening to paint my penis in red, white and blue and fly by plane to Islamabad just so I can stick it in your asshole America style.
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[link] Mexican cartels killing police, including top anti-drug chief. CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico -- More than a month after President Felipe Calderón sent more than 2,000 soldiers to this troubled U.S.-Mexico border city, execution-style murders remain commonplace -- and usually unsolved -- as heavily armed drug cartels battle for control of lucrative drug-smuggling routes into the United States.
[link] Mexico security force moves into Tijuana,Mexico TIJUANA -- More than 3,000 soldiers and federal police moved into Tijuana on Tuesday after a bloody weekend gang battle, and authorities said weapons seized after the shootout have been linked to several high-profile killings and assassination attempts. (More than 15 dead, and many more wounded.)
[link] Mexican drug lords executing more police, despite increased army patrols. CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — The lights of the bullet-ridden sedan were still shining when the investigators arrived. Police Capt. Saul Pena Lopez had been rushed to the hospital by then, but the blood-soaked pavement suggested he wouldn't be there long.
Under the guard of machine-gun-toting Army soldiers— sent here to quell a record outbreak of mafia shootouts, kidnappings and unsolved murders— the father of four died in the hospital from multiple gunshot wounds before midnight Tuesday. He was being buried Thursday.
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All along the Mexican side of the USA-Mexican border, from Juarez to Tijuana, you can hear the ringing out of gunshots, as if you were in the Middle East. Some times that violence spills over onto the American side, as when a top Mexican policeman from Juarez stumbled acrossed the bridge to the USA and collapsed from his gunshot wounds. Kidnappings, cross border rapes, and shootings are so abundant that the Mexican soldiers not only can't stop it, but have been known to put on ski masks and become the perpitrators of these heinous crimes.
The border violence has curbed tourist trade in all of the cities from Juarez to Tijuana and south to Ensenada, Mexico, and is hurting the already impoverished economy of the Mexican border.
Is anybody planning a trip to Mexico for vacation, and would the news of these border shootings and kidnappings cause you to alter your plans? What do you think the governments of Mexico and the USA can do to end this "Border War", and protect the everyday citizens?
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