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~from-a-box May 10, 2008, 4:15:31 PM
First, if you haven't heard of this group ("The Lord Our Righteousness Church"), their website is here [link]
A recent documentary was (re) aired and can be viewed here [link] (that's part one of five)

The man leading this group claims to be the Christ and/or Michael (arch angel?). Either way, he claims with certainty that he is divinity and humanity combined, sent by God to deliver 'His' people at the end times (now).

What I've found most notable about these folks, is there LACK of disconnect from the outside world - quite the contrary. Now, 'cults 101' tells me this is one of the prerequisites for forming a good cult...cut off your flock from outside influence and information.

This group is quite tech savvy, have there own site, make elaborate videos, and regularly communicate via their site, blogs, and even youtube accounts. Does this make them any less a 'traditional' cult? Could it make them less dangerous (less prone to end up a lot of dead bodies) since they have this daily communication with outsiders? Or is it perhaps an ingenious recruitment tool?

Secondly, it would appear that all of the minors were finally removed as of a couple of weeks ago. With earlier allegations of a possible mass suicide, and the more recent allegations of child sexual abuse, few would argue this was a bad move (though if you do, please argue away!).

But, at what point does it become acceptable for the state to move in and stop the ADULTS from their practices if it does in fact appear to be moving toward a mass suicide? Is there ever a point when the state and its' laws trump religious freedom (suicide being against the law)?

I've found this a fascinating, if frightening case, and am currently in communications with one of the members. It's been a truly odd inside look.
Curious to hear your views on the goings on there, their modern tech-cult approach and where the boundaries of the state's power might lie?

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~ExplosionAnomaly May 10, 2008, 4:47:23 PM
Just look at their hair.

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~Daimanius May 10, 2008, 5:09:08 PM
Well, of course they're a cult. It says that "no man shall no" when the apocalypse will strike. They go against the book they profess to uphold.

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~Eman333 May 10, 2008, 5:44:57 PM
1:30 the child says "I took off all my clothes and laid naked on his bed and he just held me, and it was like a whole new picture of God"

Now I didn't even need to watch the video to know this sort of shit was going on.

This is pretty much how any religion works. Someone declares they have supernatural powers and are recieveing prophecy from the supreme creator of the universe, and hordes of gullible people believe it. It's no different from Islam or Christianity. It's just on a smaller scale.

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~DeannaColeman May 10, 2008, 5:45:36 PM
All religions are cults in one way or another. Hey if the adults wish the rid the world of themselves then so be. I'm sure we'll be better off anyways. When the bring children into it though thats a whole other ballpark. Brainwashing a child about any religion is wrong to me but hey I'm an agnostic to begin with. Teaching a child about all religions is fine but confining them with only one, how everyone else is wrong, ect ect is just sick.

Poor kids.
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~Eman333 May 10, 2008, 5:59:29 PM
The pedo hair.

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~GlassArrowz May 10, 2008, 6:03:40 PM

This is pretty much how any religion works. Someone declares they have supernatural powers and are recieveing prophecy from the supreme creator of the universe, and hordes of gullible people believe it. It's no different from Islam or Christianity. It's just on a smaller scale.

The difference is, religion on a bigger scale has less power over its subjects. I can be a catholic and get an abortion. Its against the rules, and I shouldn't, but what power does the church have? They really aren't brainwashing here.

But still, hordes will believe anything.

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~GlassArrowz May 10, 2008, 6:18:19 PM
It is?

Should I also tell my children that killing people is ok too? Some people think that.

The fact is, the parent has every right to do it, and there is nothing wrong with it if it remains in the boundaries of the law.

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~MMartz May 10, 2008, 6:19:10 PM
It's a cult. Of course this kind of thing should be banned. This is one human being (despite what or who he thinks he is, he is very human) who is manipulating people into the inevitable: mass suicide.
I am curious though...in the video it said that their predicted "end of the world" date was October 31, 2007 (interesting they'd use a major Pagan holiday-Festival of the Dead to conceive the end of the world). Well, that date has obviously come and gone, yet I don't recall hearing of any mass suicide amongst this cult.
Hmm....sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
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~Eman333 May 10, 2008, 6:20:46 PM
Yeah the difference is the bigger religions are more dilute. They all still have the same basic premise though - Person claims to be speaking for the creator of the universe, and you have to do exactly as this person says or the creator of the universe wont be happy.

You can bet if plain old vanilla brand Christianity were compressed down to the scale of this cult, it would be just as noticeably wacky.

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