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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
He who sins is forgiven on the command of Jesus, therefore sin a lot. What do you say?
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AellaWalker Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Sex is evil,
Evil is sin,
Sin is forgivable,
So sex is in!
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
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i say you are wrong
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After--Life Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Jesus (as) never commanded that.

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Azza9 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Ummm... I'm no christian buuuut I'm not sure that OP's supposition is true...

Assuming it is though; If there are no repercussions to an action that one enjoys they'll likely keep doing it. Same goes if those repercussions are canceled out constantly. IF Jesus was to command that all sins are to be forgiven (by whom? god? himself? other people?) it would lead one to believe that people might think it's fine to sin. Unless in the process of their forgiveness they legitimately learn that the sin they committed was unjust.

But, I don't think the bible actually endorses disingenuous repentance. And I think even god would have limits for his forgiveness. We might need to have some actual Christians well versed in the scriptures to weight in and confirm that.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
You know what's a sin?

All these fair weather Lakers fans.
When the team was losing and in disarray you didn't hear shit, you didn't see shit, and you didn't have to
deal with Fakers fans.

Now the team wins a few games, looks good, and the fuckers explode out of the sewers like it's the movie C.H.U.D.

Can't the next meteor hit LA? :eager:

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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Repentance is necessary, therefore you cannot enjoy your sin.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
Repentance is merely saying 'sorry'
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lyteside Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Biblical repentance isn't 'sorry'. That would be attributed to "remorse" in both Jewish and Christian understanding.

Remorse is either feeling bad that you got caught, feeling embarrassed and ashamed, and saying "sorry" (e.g. Saul from OT)
Repentance is doing things that are different, turning away from the sinful activity, etc. (e.g. People of Nineveh)
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
So what's the point of confession then?
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lyteside Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
I must admit I'm not totally sure where you are coming from (if you mean "confession" as it applies to catholicism or confession as a general relational practice... etc.) But I can tell you from my personal experience that my confessions of wrong doing to others help to heal my relationships (giving validation and acknowledgement to the offended), helping reconciliation occur. Of course, it can't stop there, right? If I say outloud "I'm sorry, that was wrong" I may validate for my friend that she was really wronged, but If I don't do anything about it, then she'll just get hurt again, and this would reveal my lack of desire to change. [there are exceptions of course - i.e. am i suffering from addiction? mind is not well?]

Also, confession seems to help my own walk. Once I "put it out there", its a lot harder to hide from my own shortcomings and mistakes. Its like shining a light in the corners of the basement. I have to admit to myself that scary monster is in that corner.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
If christians go into confessionals at church for forgiveness why can't a simple "I'm sorry" by Hitler at the gates be enough?

It's all moot anyway since there is no afterlife but still, the abrahamic religions have so many sects and rules on getting into happy funtime land it's silly.
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lyteside Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Yes! The rules and regulations are pointless when it comes to the after life, or doing good, etc.

It is all silly. The fact that someone could do XYZ, and expect to earn anything when it comes to God is preposterous (whether it be inheriting eternal life, or anything else). "Going into confessionals" and performing other similar rituals have zero power to do anything.

Trust in God allows him to heal our broken and shattered hearts and free us from being captive to our own sins, addictions, etc. Its all about God making us clean on the inside, so that we can be clean on the outside.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
""Going into confessionals" and performing other similar rituals have zero power to do anything."

So then, why do these rituals exist?
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lyteside Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
As it relates to Christianity in general... Jesus said he came to heal the sick, not those that think they are well. If I am unwilling to admit that I'm wrong or doing wrong, then Jesus can't heal me, because I won't let him. Also, if I just try to "change" my habits, it will typically fail, because my heart has not been made well.

Its not unlike many alcoholics that try to just "drink a lot less" and fail, because they are unwilling to admit that they are an alcoholic (the beginning place of healing). They are unable to make the changes by themselves, because their addictions drive them almost irrationally.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You gotta mean it cause god is psychic :iconwooooplz:
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Just do it drunk
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
hmmmm.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I can enjoy a drink, does that make me less of a sinner?
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It makes you guilty of being areligious, probably.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
As long as I am not amoral, I couldn't give a stuff.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think amorality is possible if you are the one judging it. However, you are probably amoral to someone else.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'd rather be immoral than amoral.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Would you repent your immorality?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Probably not.
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Bluefire-the-Dragon Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think they should be good because it is good to be good, and should stay away from doing stupid things for the simple reason that it is wrong. If one is forgiven for these alleged sins, and then sins again, then they were obviously not very sorry to begin with, were they? Or perhaps they are using this "forgiveness" as a free ticket to wrong-doing. That is what it looks like to me.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Is God mistaken then if he forgives a sinner?
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Bluefire-the-Dragon Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Because obviously, this book has its head up its own anus. Just kidding. I really don't know. I have not finished reading the bible. And I'm not a Christian. I'm just trying to see it from a logical point of view, barring any other outside information. (I'm obviously not doing such a good job. Maybe because it's so late).
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Bluefire-the-Dragon Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very well then, assuming God makes no mistakes, then the sinner that is forgiven will likely not have an incentive to repeat the same sin, right? Then the people who sin again and again were obviously not very sorry to begin with and were never actually forgiven. That is how I understand it. Or perhaps I missed the point of the first post? ^_^;
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
If man can be wrong but God cannot be, then why did Jesus give the key to heaven to Peter?
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Bluefire-the-Dragon Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Because obviously, this book has its head up its own anus. Just kidding. I really don't know. I have not finished reading the bible. And I'm not a Christian. I'm just trying to see it from a logical point of view, barring any other outside information. (I'm obviously not doing such a good job. Maybe because it's so late).

(I wrote it in the wrong place. This forum really confuses me.)
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EternalJedi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
I say why buy in to the defeatist view that we're somehow tainted from birth and rely on your own moral compass rather than let your actions be dictated by fear of 'sin'?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Original Sin has to be the most disgusting doctrine ever proclaimed.
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EternalJedi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
I couldn't agree with you more.
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KittyTheNekoAlien Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I have thought of that one, but it seems like it'd be insincere if one asks for forgiveness, then goes out and does the same thing again.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It doesn't have to be the same sin, just sin, my little devils.
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