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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student General Artist
"This world is the closest thing to hell that any Christian will ever experience, and the closest thing to heaven that any non-Christian will experience."

This was a quote from a buddy of mine's Facebook page. As this is going to be ripe for discussion, what is your opinion on this statement?

Just remember to play nice. While I enjoy a verbal tussle, let's try and keep it civil.
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AellaWalker Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Um, I think that speaks well for the non-christians. We get to experience heaven and the christians get to experience hell. And then we all die.
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tobeproduced Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
so so so very true they don't know what there missing out on
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, if I slide over the "My God has a bigger dick than your God!" bullshit (R.I.P. George Carlin), it's pretty accurate.
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TheArtOfCBYoung Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't say anyone else's imaginary realms really concern me much. If it makes them feel better to think that they're going to beat me at something after we're both dead...eh, let 'em. I'm happy enough with this world that I don't need to make up one for after death. =)
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Those kind of christians only focus on the negative things. They, by themselves, make this world look like a living hell.
Whereas non-christians just enjoy and live, and don't go around victimizing and condemning themselves over stupid stuff.

How's that? ;)
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macker33 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I think its an absolutely fabulous statement, grats to your buddy,
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:icontrampire:
Trampire Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Hi?
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:iconkillianseraphim:
KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student General Artist
Hello
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little-wild-one Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
That quote is smug, arrogant, and bullshit.
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LL-c Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
^this
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
theres a christian philosophy that this is the best possible world that god could make and if all the evil wasnt here the world would be alot worse, infact that argument was made to counter the problem of evil.

that qoute is shit lad.
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EnuoCale Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:iconadachiplz::iconsaysplz:is full of shit.
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thesurrealisticMind Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Ultimately, I'll find out when I die. I'd like to think something else happens once I die, if not, oh well. It'll be like before I was born.
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Mercury-Crowe Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Satan was cast down to be lord of earth, so at least the first statement is correct...and sure, if you don't believe in heaven why should you go there? There are other ways to 'move on'.
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
You do realize that it is traditional Christian dogma that you have two choices: Heaven or Hell.
The choice based on Christian Dogma is based on the value of one condition:

A. You believe that Jesus Christ is the son of Yahweh Elohim, and he was crucified to undo the sins of your mortal soul, including the original sin of Adam and Eve. If you believe this, you go to Heaven.

B. You believe in anything else. You go to Hell.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Rabi said 'all good people go to heaven regardless of religion' and since the jews are the using the original version of the abrahamic religions I'll go with that guy.
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Not certain if that is what the Torah says.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Torah says nothing at all about going to heaven.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Don't care. Rabi told me to my face. So I'll keep that 'get out of jail free card' in my pocket:bucktooth:
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
:p
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Mercury-Crowe Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I'm pretty sure there are a few more rules than that...
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
There aren't. Catholics used to have more rules about good works.
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Mercury-Crowe Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Wow, they'll let anybody into their little club now...
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
The doctrine of Christ works like this:

In the beginning, (the Adam and Eve story) man and woman ate from the tree of knowledge and committed the original sin, by gaining the ability to disobey Yahweh. When they gained that self awareness, Man 'Fell'. Dooming 100% of all Humans who would ever be born live and die to go to Hell. (Because Yahweh would not welcome any fallen Being into his Kingdom.)

The Jewish law of the Torah was considered a failure by Christians, as the law was impossible to keep. So, again, back to square one.

Jesus supposedly came to undo the original sin of Adam by agreeing with Yahweh to atone for that sin by being a Human sacrifice, enduring the punishment of going to Hell. He rose to show his followers that the sin was forgiven for those that accept that. Additional sins aquired during a mortal life must be repented for on a case by case basis with Jesus in prayer. Otherwise they are unforgiven, if the list of unrepentant sins against Yahweh is too long, you go to Hell anyway.

So, what about other religions?

Jews: Never accepted Jesus, doomed to Hell. Rejected their own Messiah. Original sin of Adam still in effect. (Jews are not considered responsible for Jesus's death However) There are some very specific exceptions to this where small handfuls of repentant Jews will be admitted into Heaven and special prophets.

Muslims: While they do worship the Yahweh, like the Jews, but call him Allah due to language issues, they reject the sacrifice and Resurrection of Jesus. Hence fourth are doomed to Hell. Original sin of Adam still in effect.

Any other religion as well as Atheist: Never accepted Jesus, doomed to Hell.
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
I think Neither statement is true, Firstly, Heaven and Hell aren't real places, but fantasy worlds that exist only in the imaginations of followers.

There is one thing by a few posters up:

Christian do/have done things such as destroyed non-Christian economies and nations, as well as entire civilizations. Attempting to make other non-Christians lives miserable to enforce conformity.

Second is the ridiculous statement Christians make about the devil ruling this world... Which is what they are eluding to. Again, the most prosperous places on Earth are the least religious. The most horrible places to live are the most religious. (Note that I do count North Korea as 'religious' because North Korea is ruled by a cult of the Kim family.)
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
You leave Dear Father and Great Leader alone:iconbucktooothplz:
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Derp.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
I think they're making Mekka-Kim, a giant robot statue of the Great Leader.
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Who knows.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven." - John Milton
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hmm. Makes sense to me. If this life is just to get into heaven, then it's nothing more than a trial for the bliss that awaits. If this life is all there is, then it's the best we can get.
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student General Artist
No

If this were heaven, there'd be no religion
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
I'd disagree, I guess. Non-Christians aren't necessarily hell-bound, and some Christians will be.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
A wretched statement, meant to show non-Christians as lowly drudges and Christians as the enlightened few seeking escape from the perpetual misery of the company of their fellow man. It also reeks of the typical "them.vs.us" fire and brimstone talk, proclaiming we non-Christains are already damned, and thus this is our heaven before hell, while Christians are saved and will ascend past this. Pretentious at best, insulting at worst.


Thankfully, I don't subscribe to your buddies theology, so my personal interpretation of that statement is that it is complete, and total, bollocks.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
:icontrophyplz:
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I aim to please.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Oh never mind, didn`t see the "non-"
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kaikaku Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You said play nice. I can't easily say anything nice about that statement, though. Anything nice I could come up with to say about it would ring false. Although Neurotype did a pretty good job at interpreting it in a way I'm sure your friend didn't intend it.
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kaikaku Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
In case you don't understand what I mean, think of it this way: A sizeable portion of the 'non-Christian' world lives in places where they may not have adequate food, running water, access to even the most basic medical care. Meanwhile, your friend is posting on Facebook. :-/ I'm guessing your friend didn't think of all the unfortunate implications of his/her statement. But in all seriousness? The best thing I can say about it is that it sounds like a snide remark, one that suggests the person saying it hasn't bothered to take into account the various points-of-view of non-Christians at all.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I think it fits like a glove XD
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm choosing to interpret it as meaning there is no afterlife. Which makes any swapping of the statements equally true. :B
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Faulty theology at best. Your buddy is clearly a proponent of the "once saved, always saved" silliness, or is some sort of Calvinist who really buys into double predestination, all the while rendering God powerless to save anyone outside the formal bounds of the church (which, given the rest, must be defined by an *extremely* loose ecclesiology that somehow still manages to exclude Catholics).

It's patently ridiculous to anyone who doesn't share his theology -- which is to say, at least 75% of all Christians -- and patently obvious to anyone who does. So I'm not sure why he bothered saying it.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
I want triple predestination.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
Eh, "non-Christian" includes a bunch of other groups for whom that's not really the case.
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Azza9 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
A little pretentious...

But it's an opinion there's nothing to discuss really...
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KingStephenArthur Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student Photographer
You would think otherwise, but that statement is only true from a Christian standpoint. Means nothing to me.
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