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Christians who claim to "hate the sin but love the sinner"

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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Particularly, I see this claim made about homosexuals (and I guess bisexuals, trans people, et c, if they even acknowledge those exist) and particularly, from christians, although representatives of other religions do make it from time to time.

How exactly can christians claim that they "love" the homosexuals, or even that they have no problem with them, but then turn around and tell them that they should change who they are, because otherwise they're horrible sinners? Do they not see the contradiction?

It's like if I told them "I don't hate christians, but I think the act of christianity is wrong. It's ok to be a christian, but I'm going to persecute you to all hell if you dare worship your deity publicly, or do anything... christiany." Would that make sense in any way?

Homophobic christians, please, at least have some backbone and tell it straight out how it is - say that you hate homosexuals, at least you'd be honest. Horribly bigoted and hateful, but honest.
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VictoryWept Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
They say these things because it allows them to get away with being a bigot, and still feel self-righteous.
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Retro-Death Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's like the previous pope said divorce is a sin...and homosexuality is a sin...doesn't that make gay people who were already married some kind of paradox? Imean the pope doesn't want them to get divorced so does that mean he approves?
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HorrificSensation Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013
this is why im an atheist! :D
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DamonOS777 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is how I think of it: You can "hate" the fact that a man is blind, but you can still love him, you just "hate" the fact that there is nothing you can do for him, cuz that's just how it is. That's how I see it anyways.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The New Atheists say they hate the religious belief but not the religious believer. It is absolute bullshit if you ask me. To me, the personal is politics and politics is shit.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist
What do you know about religious? Your an atheiest.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
And you can't even type a three word sentence without fucking up, so I don't think your opinion really counts for much. :lol:
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carusmm Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I won't get into politics with you.
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VictorianExcentric Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
>Homophobic christians, please, at least have some backbone and tell it straight out how it is - say that you hate homosexuals, at least you'd be honest. Horribly bigoted and hateful, but honest.

For the most part, it appears to be self-loathing, [link] and [link] . And a decent popular science summary, [link] .

Those people deserve our pity more than anything else, that and some therapy.

VE.
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
hm, I'm not sure how to respond to your examples, but in the very basic sense of it I think that it goes something like this: Everyone makes mistakes and deserve to be forgiven. If you choose to sin constantly then I don't know what to say to that.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There's no such thing as "sin"
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TheoreticalSorcery Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013
My interpretation is this: People are generally spiritual terrorists who bring negativity into your life due to your (insert benign difference here), and cherry-pick stuff to back up their beliefs, unless it's inconvenient to actually justify them. Then it's a matter of "faith"; this is double-speak for "knowing the mind of god". People will generally be polite, but inwardly criticize everything about you, and hold you against their standards for what constitutes a decent human being. Insert whatever rigid system of beliefs if christianity doesn't apply.

These opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of humanity or its affiliate species.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you know the concept of SPAG, ie. "Self Projected As God"?

Basically, it's like, every christian has their own interpretation of the bible, everyone of them has a different idea of what god is like. Most often, their idea of god reflects their own beliefs and ideas, and simply validates their already existing beliefs and prejudices. Then they pick out parts of the bible that validate those beliefs, and ignore the ones that contradict them.
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TheoreticalSorcery Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
Hahah now that is the framing I've been looking for! What a joyous occasion! I can see myself going around calling out people for being "Spags". :D

... but seriously, this is what I was trying to express, in my own roundabout sort of way.

Isn't it pitiful how unlikely some people are to become aware of this taking place in their minds? I say, the 3rd world war will be waged within!
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, to be fair, it isn't limited only to religion or religious people. A vast majority of people sort of go through life on autopilot.

What it means is that most people don't question their own impulses. Most people are unable to really deconstruct their own thought patterns and seriously question their beliefs. That's partly why there's a huge gambling industry, how it's easy to manipulate poll results, etc.
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TheoreticalSorcery Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013
I know what it means, friend. However it is somewhat interesting that SPAG can be used to explain secular beliefs.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't, just making conversation...

All the same, religious people can be called Spaggots.
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TheoreticalSorcery Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013
that's too good... I'll try to avoid hatespeech when it comes to decent folk, at least.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, I was kind of joking there...
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summitstars Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I chuckled when I read this! If I had a nickel for every time a fellow Christian has told me they hate the sin but not the sinner...
I hear it all the time. I've always interpreted it differently but you are absolutely right!
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SrMcBadAss Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
I am in agreement with this, and applaud you good Sir or Madame.
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Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Homosexuality is something beyond our control, so I'm gonna say it's possible to love a gay man/gay woman but disagree with their lifestyle?

Well, I'm on the fence about it. I'm neither for nor against the LGTB community as I see that they are fellow people such as me, only their sexual preferences are different. Christ never speaks of homosexuality, but sexual immorality is touched on. (threesomes, orgies, etc.)

I could care less what they do, so long as no one hits on me. I would have to politely decline. Lol
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why do you think anyone would want to hit on you?
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Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Well I like to think I'm not TOTALLY disgusting and un-doable...thanks...
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Generally, people don't want to hit on people who're like "ugh, I hope those filthy homos don't hit on me"... p
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lyteside Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
:/ wow. That's a lot of meaning you're ascribing there.
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:iconkinoc-kun:
Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
But I don't think they are filthy. :(
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Figure of speech, you know
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Rush-the-chosen-one Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Analogy:

Bisexual guy, do you find the the extremes (only straight and only gay) stupid and limited ideas?

Yes I do Rush, why would a person limit him/herself from receiving love from whoever loves him/her... beats me XD

Bisexual guy, do you think heterosexuals and homosexuals are stupid?

No Rush, why would I ever think that?

But bisexual guy, you said the idea is stupid...

The idea, not the person ^^
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure what your point is?
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Rush-the-chosen-one Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
One may find the behavir wrong and stupid, yet one can love someone that have that kind of behavior ^^

For instance, atheists hate religion, but some atheists don't hate religious people ^^

I may hate pizza, but i don't hate the people that bake it or the people that eat it ^^
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beth4452 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So you're saying its impossible to love someone and also disagree with them. Hm.
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TTFNJinx Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Student Interface Designer
I am a some what Christian who is open minded about other beliefs....any ways I'm neutral. I'm not against the Gays. I have gay friends, I'm totally cool with them. I thiink as long as you love someone everything is fine.
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Lady-Luck03 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Professional Writer
The first thing you need to know is that EVERYONE is a sinner and that no sin is more sinful than another. A sin is a sin. We are told to to love the Lord first and then to love our neighbor as we would love ourself. I do not hate homosexuals but, since I am a Christian, I don't approve of the act of homosexuality because it is a sin. A true Christian loves everyone as a brother or sister because we are instructed to. It's not hypocritical to hate the sin but and love the sinner.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
You say you love everyone because you're instructed to. Would you still love them if you weren't instructed to? Conversely, would you hate them if instructed by the Lord?
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Lady-Luck03 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Professional Writer
No.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
No you wouldn't love them if you weren't instructed to? Or no you wouldn't hate them even if God instructed you to? :noes:
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Lady-Luck03 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Professional Writer
Yikes! Sorry for the confusion. No I wouldn't hate them if I were instructed to.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
So you'd go against the word of God himself? :noes:
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Lady-Luck03 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013  Professional Writer
I don't know... I just feel that hating people without cause is wrong :shrug:
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
So a direct command from God isn't a cause? :O
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BelleMylene Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
BetweenSkill basically just proved your stupidity.
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FoxFornication Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If you use the bible as a moral compass, you'll get in jail. Just saying.
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BetweenSkill Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Student Writer
Actually in order to be a true Christian you must kill apostates, be it that they either rejected "God" or that they refused to be converted.

And in fact, how come you say you hate the act of homosexuality, when "pulling out" is also punishable by stoning to death, because that is spilling and wasting "God's seed"? Or how the only real mention of homosexuality in the Bible is calling it an "abomination" which when looked at in relative terms to the time period means "not normal", not "horrific" like we think of abomination today, which was simply a way of saying "this is not how reproduction works". Now of course among the other things listed as abominations in the Bible is eating shellfish, wearing more than two pieces of cloth for clothing, touching (or sometimes known as even being near or talking to) a woman on her period etc.. The list goes on and on.

If you believe homosexuality is wrong, then why do you not believe those things are just as wrong?

And in fact homosexuality IS NOT a choice, and scientific evidence now CLEARLY supports this claim. So are you now saying people should reject who they are, and lie to themselves and to "God"? If you are interested in knowing the scientific evidence I would be happy to relay it to you.
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PIKAFAN11 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I do not hate homosexuals in the least. I'll admit I believe their sexual practices to be un-natural (I know all the scientific methods, I don't need to be told any of that college dribble.) but just as long as they don't force them on me then I really don't care. There are good and bad homosexuals just as there are good and bad people in every walk of life.

Also, we Christians are not damning the homosexuals to Hell ourselves. God is, because their practices are sinful. Everyone does sinful things, that doesn't mean we hate everyone. If it was up to me, I honestly doubt that I'd send all Homosexuals to Hell, myself seeing as some of them are genuinely wonderful people. But the practice of homosexual tendencies and sexuality leads to disease and other evil things. (Not to say that sometimes heterosexual sex doesn't cause disease as well.) Those are my honest opinions. :)
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BetweenSkill Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Student Writer
So is there any real difference in homosexual activities as opposed to heterosexual? It seems to me that you've pretty much went against your claim that homosexuality is sinful.

This is something reposted from a post I recently made that seems to pretty much reply to your statement:

"And in fact, how come you say you dissaprove the act of homosexuality, when "pulling out" is also punishable by stoning to death, because that is spilling and wasting "God's seed"? Or how the only real mention of homosexuality in the Bible is calling it an "abomination" which when looked at in relative terms to the time period means "not normal", not "horrific" like we think of abomination today, which was simply a way of saying "this is not how reproduction works". Now of course among the other things listed as abominations in the Bible is eating shellfish, wearing more than two pieces of cloth for clothing, touching (or sometimes known as even being near or talking to) a woman on her period etc.. The list goes on and on.

If you believe homosexuality is wrong, then why do you not believe those things are just as wrong? "

If you want any more evidence, be it from a religious source or a scientific one, just let me know. I'd be happy to prove that homosexuality is NOT a choice, NOT a sinful thing, NOT a bad thing, and NOT different than heterosexuality :)
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PIKAFAN11 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
In my belief, homosexuality isn't wrong because it wastes "the seed." It's wrong because it is un-natural, causes plauges of disease and frankly, nothing should go up your anus. That's just wrong.

Also, those other passages you mentioned are commonly confused. I haven't done any bible study in quite a while, so I can't tell you exactly what it means. You also shouldn't bother with those horribly screwed up translations. The King James version is the only true version.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013   Writer
You're forgetting two things. 1) there are lesbians. 2) straight people have anal sex, too. (and believe me, it's not that uncommon)
I believe that anal sex is wrong, for me, because it seems so disgusting to do, but I could care less what others do.

In fact, when lesbians engage in sexual activities, they are less likely to contract diseases more so than straight people.

I see where you're coming from on how it's unnatural. You think so because it doesn't make babies, right? If that's the case, then it should be unnatural for infertile people to have sex, too. I mean, it's practically the same thing. :shrug:
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BelleMylene Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
For one, there is no such thing as unnatural, because everything thing that eats, sleeps, shits and has dirty tentacle sex under the sun is natural. What in the fuck does this "unnatural" word mean? Nature is not like black and white, good and evil. There are no polar opposites. So you don't hate homosexuals, you're just going to criticize perfectly harmless people over harmless actions that they have no choice upon and don't even involve you? It sounds like you hate homosexuals to me. Sometimes the most harm can come from the best intentions. You are stupid and should be ashamed. That is all, good day. :)
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PIKAFAN11 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Look at you. I'm trying to be civil and you turn into a spitting hellcat. Sounds like somebody has a pretty immature temper.
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