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Does religion make people inhuman?

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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Or are they inhuman to begin with?
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GreenwickPress Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
I think religion is related to traits humans evolved while surviving. It can be great for social cohesiveness, and prior to our more modern discoveries (Of evolution and a bunch of other stuff) it helped many people with the irritation of not knowing what was really happening.

I also think that religion can't be destroyed because the impulse is too strong for too many people. I think it's better to concentrate on critical thinking, because when people can reason they are less likely to ignore important scientific evidence. Or burn people to death as witches.
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alzebetha Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
Whys this question still going, and why have people fucked up the answer so much?'t is rather simple:

What is the origin of religion with its inhumane treatment enabling mechanisms? Man.

ta ta, that easy.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013   Digital Artist
Religion is a very human concept. Soulless robots could not have a religion. I doubt amoebas have a religion.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
To be human then is to be a fool.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013   Digital Artist
That may very well be true.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Children are dicks.

Really though, religion's the only reason we don't routinely toss disabled babies over cliffs anymore.
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:iconkenota:
Kenota Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
I'm sorry...what...
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Christianity developed the idea of being charitable in Europe.
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:iconkenota:
Kenota Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
I think you may want to consider researching that notion. Many societies in Europe had concepts of charity before Christianity.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm most familiar with the Greeks/Romans, so yeah there's a gap. I don't doubt it's not a hard and fast rule but I think there's significant influence.
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Kenota Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
Religion is also the reason we still deny certain members of our society equal standing based on their sexual preference. Also, I would note only the Spartans threw disabled babies to their death, pretty sure (not 100%).
And they had a religion.
Ultimately, in the words of Steven Weinberg "With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I have to wonder if not having religion would be better, though. Look at bullying in schools: kids take any excuse they can get. Religion probably doesn't help—gets people to fight together where they normally wouldn't—but the Westerners and the Middle East have been at it for like 5000 years on and off.
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Kenota Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
I think it could very much go either way.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I may be confusing inhumanity with mental immaturity. But are children not cruel?
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Anyone can be immature, not just religious people. I'm beginning to sense some kind of anti-theist fallacy here.

Actually, everyone acts immature at one point or another. You, me, our neighbors...
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No and no. Hatred makes people inhuman.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Does religion not breed hatred?
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sometimes it does(and so does atheism), but believe it or not, it doesn't affect every religious person (or atheist, for that matter).
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I believe that atheists are incapable of true passion.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
How so? Every individual is different.

Passion is also another word for love or an interest; that doesn't mean an atheists are incapable of those things, too.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
When logic binds, it binds tightly.
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Kingmedas Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Student General Artist
It is difficult to save a human with religion.
But it is easy to destroy a man with the same religion.

fire saves cold. The fire also burns you.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Maybe and sort of. People have the ability to change according to their own decisions. This means that they can become either subhuman (by letting animalistic urges dominate) or superhuman (though religion alone is insufficient for that).
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Are slaves capable of changing into anything resembling a human being?
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If they have the sufficient potential (as suppressed or latent qualities) to identify them as human, then yes. Being a slave may also be a temporary condition or being fit only for that specific caste/class.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Then, religion stifles human potential.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I disagree. Religion stifles subhuman urges, because those are dependencies heteronomous to one's own unbiased will, thus diffuse, waste and bond down one's powers, orienting them to react to mere impulses. If you observe it even superficially, you can see that our very discussion is based on such responsive actions. A supreme human being is someone who is able exactly because of not being bound by needs. This is the reason why many great spiritual teachers are depicted as possessing a stoic attitude, most certainly being able to feel, but not destined to do so against their will or be influenced by them (e.g. Gautama Siddharta Buddha's battle with the demon Mara before achieving Nirvana or the passion of Jesus before his resurrection as Christ).
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
What is a Stoic but inhuman?
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What makes a human?
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Sound and fury.
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kausawolf Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Religion makes people inhuman in the same way atheism does.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That is a kind of blanket statement, isn't it?
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No. They're two types of beliefs.
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:iconkausawolf:
kausawolf Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The idea is what you believe does not make you inhuman.
But the idea that religious people are inhuman for believing is an inhuman idea, and the person thinking that is inhuman if anything.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Believing doesn't make a person inhuman but a habit of believing does.
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kausawolf Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
A habit of believing? Elaborate.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
One thing leads to another and another and another.
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kausawolf Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow thank you very much, I have never understand anything as well as I understood that sentence right there.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Believing like sarcasm has consequences.
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chirohito Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
people makes themselves inhuman, they just find religions as an excuse for their actions.
i am a Christian, but look at Christianity throughout the centuries.
burning, torturing, executing, killing people in the name of "God".
The corrupt make corrupt, and use religions as covers.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
the dangers of generalizing. i think it has to go for a several more centuries until the common man starts to think that saying "im Christian" doesnt mean "define me by what other Christians did"
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chirohito Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
mhm. good point.
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Mihaihen Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
First of the religion in question makes a big difference. I never heard of a Shinto religious fanatic, or an animist religious fanatic and so forth.
2 nd off some people just need a reason to be assholes :_)
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
man, some animists were eating children hearts in africa at one point. i think you meant "the era makes the big difference"
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:iconmihaihen:
Mihaihen Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
Come on, Africa? There are a lot worst things going on in Africa right now. People chop each others limbs and set others on fire with tires and gasoline on a daily basis over there. Not a good example :\
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
yeah but not to practice animism. since animists think that soul is a dweller, cannibals eat the other peoples flesh in order to gain the power of their souls, thus thinking that eating a heart or bathing in someones blood would give them powers.

animist extremism. these maniacs exist in every religion as long as you are willing to take small numbers as examples
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Mihaihen Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
So you mean eating and drinking a slayed enemies heart and blood does not grant one his power?!? You jest sir \o/
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Mihaihen Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
teh fuq u link me ??? 0_o
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
horrible, horrible abomination
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