I think that as the human psyche and social organisation evolved in certain cultures, the heads of the tribes realised that whoever had the biggest wang and most sculpted body was most desirable to the ladies of said cultures. Assuming these chieftains had small to average wang size and possessed a less than average physique, they abused their power (presumably inherited) and instilled fear into the tribes-people, claiming that their deities wished that flesh be covered and that the naked human form was an insult to the heavens. Then they'd make a few examples of those who didn't follow the rules by executing them aaaaand eventually everyone was scared into wearing clothes. Nudity isn't shameful. The shame came from these surly, insecure and inadequate ancient leaders of men, and now we suffer for it. I mean... Hitler had one testicle and look what happened with that nut-job (pun intended, although I'm not sure if this reference has anything to do with my point at all... hmmm do I even have a point?). Moral of the story kids, it's just skin and hair. Beyond that, it's cells and atoms and quarks and energy. Hope I've entertained somehow....
I enjoyed talking with all of you and hearing your opinions, but after hearing the same comment nearly 200 times I think I've heard just about everything there is to say. If anyone else comes in before this gets locked, don't be surprised if I don't reply. Until next time!
Because its a sign of intellectual and technological maturity to cover yourself for both protection and humility. You have to understand that when something is culturally imposed, there is a reason for it. Because in this instance, but not all, it promotes ideals and behaviors for which are beneficial to the individual and the group.
Wearing clothes increases your chance for survival so much so that it is necessary to impose these things in paternal evolution.
Its not because we're all trying to hate each other and not let everyone be in our natural state. Clothes are our natural state. Being naked is not beneficial to us, we've evolved with clothing in the same sense a bird has evolved to make a nest for its eggs. Being naked is our not having a nest for our eggs.
In places like africa where the people aren't technologically advanced and aren't intellectually capable, they didn't evolve complicated clothing because they didn't need it. But in places like Europe, they did.
hmm, I guess it's shameful and stuff because seeing other people naked is seen as this special, sexual, privilege. People just don't like their sexuality and feelings. Also, lots of people are self conscious about their bodies, so when someone else is naked, they feel shame and then quiet rage.
I wouldn't mind. But there is one con. Lack of protection. Lack of protection against sun, cold, rain, prying people, perverts, dirt, and insects. I don't now if you know, but private parts are sensitive. They are prone to infection, sweating and chafing. Oh there you go, you might sweat. Ain't nobody got time for that.
People keep posting about people you wouldn't want to see naked. If this ignorant custom wasn't established in the first place you wouldn't even notice. It would be just another thing you see day to day.
Nudity isn't shameful. Being a fat slob who doesn't take care of his/herself is shameful.
1) Most people wouldn't want to see male junk, and most males would like to see naked females... 2) First it was the need to protect oneself, and clothes did come pretty early on the human invention list, fire, spear clothes. Needles to say in warm places people still wear nothing but a lil' bit of cloth so keep warm in the night, while in other areas going commando might cost you a frozen testicle. Then, in the classical civilizations, it became a symbol of status, be it wealth, matrimony, patriarchy and such. Fools and poor were all but naked, and the good citizens could afford a cute tunic. And so it is up till today. 3) As I say, most people would dislike seeing other people naked, maybe even a bit offensive. The world isn't ready for millions of people walking naked. Also there are more subtle matters of hygiene and maybe even sexual harassment that large cities bring up to make it less appealing to go around naked.
1. If people really didn't want to see male genitalia, that may be at least partially due to social conditioning. Homophobic influence may also be a factor. It's something that must be kept out of sight, and yet the symbolism still holds a considerable amount of influence.
2. I can certainly understand the social status thing when it comes to clothes.
3. Of course people wouldn't be comfortable with sudden nudity. The first step would be to educate people from as young an age as possible that nudity is normal and ok. If this step was taken, in future generations showing a bit of skin wouldn't bear the stigma it does now.
Say we educate people, and it would be nice to educate people that there really is no reason no panic when one sees a naked body. But really, would it imply we start walking around clothless? As I stated, there is more to this. One should not panic at sight of tits but nakedness is a very sexual thing, and sex in most cultures was fairly private. Sure there were exceptions, in Rome and some pagan cultures, traditions of orgies and such, but this is not what I see when I think of people educated in health and sex matters. Being conscious of the body is does nor relive us of our decency. And though homophobic it may be, most men feel ok being naked around one another in public bathhouses, because of the status that place implies. Then there are other cultural/psychological aspects some people may start to exploit. Some people just get off by seeing others naked, or being naked themselves. Or taking one step next, being naked in public, us becoming super cool with sexuality and such, why not allow public sex and masturbation?
It's hard to say if public sex and all that would be ok in the future. I'm not quite sure if starting to walk around without clothes regularly would be implied by such an education, but what do I know.
1. i don't believe it is, in fact i believe public nudity encourages people to be more health conscious. 2. Clothing manufacturers, it was an early sell point in caveman days... "Clothes: 'cause No one wants to see that" 3. i think that in societies that have made their citizens feel truly secure living in public, nudity should not be taboo.
Hmm, because you can't be sure who's been there you put in the effort of looking after yourself as public courtesy? It could work, but unfortunately that would have to be more long term since there are too many people now who wouldn't show such courtesy.
1) Personally I don't see it as a thing to be shameful of. But as to why it's classified as shameful is due to a few things, one of which is being conditioned with the idea that it is inappropriate from an early age. People trying to keep things politically correct and trying not to offend others who may not believe in the idea.
2) Government, well that's half true, government is what kept the ideal still in place long ago. The other half I can't say for sure but it does have something to do with social cohesion and groups of hunters trying to blend into their surroundings and adapt to the climate.
3) No, I do not agree that it's shameful. It's more something people should be comfortable with as opposed to hiding them selves. No one should be ashamed of their body and no body should be allowed to make you feel so. And well as to letting people chose whether to be clothed or not clothed in public is a different matter. Maybe in a different time, but until we can change the mind set of people thinking it's just wrong all together then there is no way as to allow this to happen with out consequence of some sort. But the first step is to acknowledged that there is nothing wrong with it and to allow people the option.
Sorry about the delay in comment bro, keeping up with all these replies is exhausting @_@;
1. We think of others and how they would react, so we uphold that idea purely for political correctness? That idea has merit. When you're too afraid to go against the system for fear of backlash, you must adhere to it instead.
2. I've said it so many times so yeah, you're quite right.
3. It would certainly be good if we could educate people that nudity is perfectly ok from a young age. That'd be a great way to start. Maybe they should do this as a Pitch on the next series of Gruen Transfer...but that's just me. >.>
My reply's in English because you can get in trouble for not using it on the forums. Me? I'll admit that nudity makes me uncomfortable due to how I was brought up, but since I hate having limited choices I support freedom to do what won't physically harm anyone. I don't suggest clothes being done away with completely, I just think that there shouldn't be a stigma on showing skin.
1. Because society sees the nude body or organs involved in reproduction as dirty things 2. Probably Abrahamic religion in general 3. I don't really agree with it,but there may be some complicating factors. Benches and seats might be a lot less sanitary as one example. But for nudity in general though, I don't see what should really be WRONG with it. Especially how women nipples are SO TABOO, but it's okay and expected for males to go shirtless in public at some point. Women can't even walk around in a bra without it being weird somehow. Even though I don't understand this practice, at the same time I still find the idea a little awkward though >.> I know it's a societal thing, but still...
If nudity wasn't a thing, I would at least advocate that women be able to walk around shirtless the same as men. I remember a long time ago I came across a comic with a shirtless man and woman. They had completely identical body shapes, but the man was shouting: "You can't go out on the beach like that! It's obscene!" Double standards everywhere.
I know!!! I mean hell, there are many times I'd like to go and walk around shirtless because it's so damn hot, but I'm like "fuck, people would be like "omg, that's obscene!" My hair's even long enough to cover my nipples too :c I mean fuck, then why don't obese men get told they should put a shirt on?? What if the girl barely has boobs anyway, or they are prepubescent? They really should make rules the same for everyone >.>
Exactly. Unfortunately, most of modern civilisation still lives under a very patriarchal system of belief. Women are women and therefore not men, so they don't get exactly the same lenience or privileges.
Well there are some reason i think to why this is. Humans lived along side other hominids for many thousands of years. there is little to no evidence that other human species wear anything beside maybe neanderthal. It was also likely we ward with them over food and territory. So perhaps wearing clothes was a way to show you were human. Also as humans moved north form Africa clothes became a necessity. Also like what i was pointing to at first, humans have always thought themselves to be different from animals so also wearing clothes made that statement loud and clear. Plus later on organized religion played a role on how we view the human body ether it be good or bad.
That's an interesting idea. I also think that because sexuality is so closely ingrained with what our life's purpose is (from a purely scientific view) it may be seen as base and beneath human dignity just to do what animals do and over time it became viewed as somewhat sinful.
I really don't want to see most people naked. So there will have to be some rules.
First, you have to be between the age of 18-40. Under 18 will excite the pedophiles too much and over 40 gravity starts to take its toll. Second, you have to be female. Dudes are too hairy. I can look at naked monkeys in the zoo. Third, you have to be tone and sexy. I will appoint myself as judge for this category. If you're not sure if you are, then you're not and put your clothes on.
No, nudity should not be taboo. People should be free to walk around naked if they want.
If you ask me, though, it's illogical to dislike clothing. I mean, clothes are there to protect our skin from cold and stuff. Cave people didn't wear animal fur to look trendy. They wore it to protect their skin.
I certainly wouldn't encourage people to walk around in subzero temperatures without a coat. I'm happy with clothes, I just think it's strange that not wearing them would cause people to be so up in arms.
In the UK, we have or had 'The Naked Rambler'. Not sure what his name is but I saw him in Cornwall a few years ago. He is a vagrant as far as I know and used to carry a great big rucksack and walks the coast of the British Isles, all year long. Well it's taken him years to get anywhere as from the back he causes no offence and lots of people know about him. But you always get one person who will call the police and get him locked up for a few days. Quite a clever way to travel the country for free board and lodgings