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Homosexual discrimination.

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alzebetha Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
So one thing that got me thinking is.. Why are Male homoesexuals ostracized and etc?
Note, I am not asking why are people morally disgusted by homosexuality, I can figure that out on my own(people aren't smart)

But look at the following premise:

1. The Male gender is more violence prone(ignoring slander and rumourspreading).

2. The Male genders primary social interest lies in Female sexual partners.

3. Male Homosexuals remove competition from the Gene pool 2 at a time.

So what I fail to understand is, in human history, why is it that the rate of male-male to female-female violence is 4-5 to 1, and often lead by other males, not females, when by the equotation above Male on Male homosexually should be -welcomed- and encouraged by males while female homosexuality should be the most heinous crime imaginable.

I am aware that Human beings don't act as rational Survival agents taking such concepts into accounts, yet most other reproductive advantages/disadvantages, like adultery taboos, restriction of female freedoms, Kinship concepts, have found their ways into laws in a majority of civilizations.

Am I missing part of the puzzle?
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:iconryan1147:
ryan1147 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
this has aids
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TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Writer
'Not smart' is a bit overly pejorative. Usually it's ignorance or fear.
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It seems to me that this stupid double standard is very recent (and typical of the Western world, I don't imagine a Muslim saying "gays are eww but lesbians are hot"). Most probably, it has to do a lot with media and the porn industry.
In Ancient Greece male homosexuality was more accepted than female for sure. As for the rest of history,under Christianism, both male and female homosexuality was equally frowned upon. Maybe they spoke more about males than about females because they were more visible, but not because they'd accept lesbian women more.

Other possible reason is that men feel threatened by gay men, because they remind them of their latent homosexual tendencies. Gays show to them that male on male sex is a possibility, and that they could end up engaging in it as well, given the right circumstances.

I don't think it has anything to do with hate against feminity. A lot of gay men aren't feminine, because they choose macho roles, or just because they don't want to follow the "effeminate gay" stereotype, or are part of other subcultures. There's no proof either that gay men are feminized through hormones in the womb. There are many signs that point towards masculinization of the brain in gay and bi men, not to feminization. For example, certain brain areas that are bigger in men than in women, are bigger in gay men than in straight men. However, there's not a definitive answer yet, as far as I know.
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alzebetha Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
...So much stupid packed in your introduction. The media! and big cooperations! Supressed homosexuality!

Please, for the love of Satan, use -some- critical thinking to filter the validity of things you hear.
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What? Big corporations, are you stupid or what? Where have I said anything about big corporations?
It's a FACT that pornography and media like TV or cinema encourage lesbian scenes but not gay scenes. Watch some music videoclips and count the examples of two girls kissing against two guys kissing. You must have been living under a rock your whole life if you don't know that.
So, for the love of Satan or whatever the fuck you worship, know what you're talking about before opening your mouth.

It's a proven fact that many homophobes have repressed homosexual feelings, as well.

And saying that homophobes hate gays because they're effeminate is retarded. Homosexuality is not the same as effeminacy. Only ignorants confuse those two things, the same that believe that gays are women trapped in a man's body and all that shit. Homophobes hate gays because they're men having sex with men. Period. They don't hate the tough Spartans less than they hate "sissies".
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Student General Artist
It's a proven fact that many homophobes have repressed homosexual feelings, as well.

-And so is the disconnection between physiological arousal and subjective arousal.
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Disconnection between physiological arousal and subjective arousal has been proved in women (the theory is that it helps to prevent injuries during rape), but not in men:

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All these studies showed that men who showed arousal to homosexual images had, in fact, some real homosexual tendencies.
This other study showed that this was more common in homophobes than in non-homophobes:

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This doesn't mean that all homophobes are closet homosexuals, but that the slight homosexual tendencies that many (most?) straight men have, lead frequently to homophobia.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Student General Artist
That could be the reason why there is a higher degree of disconnect in women, but you seem to ignore that there are still some degree of disconnection in men. The conclusion should be that men who showed arousal to homosexual images are more likely to experience homosexual tendencies, but it isn't always the case.

The documentary of the sex difference in the specificity of sexual arousal - [link]

As you can see, in all of the bar graphs shows that there is some degree of disconnection in all sexes and preferences.

Regarding pupil dilation and sexual arousal, you should be taking in consideration of these observations.

"In the present study the simple relationship of male self-reported sexual orientation with pupil dilation to the same or other sex (r = .57) was weaker in effect than corresponding effects of other research based on genital arousal measures, with r’s ranging from.77 to.83 [2], [3]. In this sense, the assessment of genital arousal measures appears to be the more precise measure of the two. "

"The present study had several methodological limitations. Pupils dilate to factors other than to how arousing stimuli are, such as the amount of cognitive load they produce and the stimuli’s level of luminance and contrast [28], [29]. In the present study, average luminance of stimuli and contrast was not set equal across stimuli. This was attempted but the resulting stimuli appeared extremely distorted and could not be used, which is not an uncommon problem when adjusting these factors, especially in videos."

"Personal and interpersonal factors other than sexual attraction may affect pupil dilation to stimuli of the same sex or other sex. For example, participants may dilate in response to comparing themselves, on a physical or social level, more with stimuli of their own sex than with the other sex (e.g., by asking whether they are better looking than the stimulus)."
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
As you can see, in all of the bar graphs shows that there is some degree of disconnection in all sexes and preferences.

But when straight men show slight arousal to homosexual images, this can be explained by the fact that few people is 100% straight. As Kinsey found out, most persons are somewhere in the middle of the continuum.
Straight men showed some arousal to gay porn, yes, but not enough to speak of disconnection of body/mind. Also, notice that these men actually reported being somehow aroused by the images; they were aware of their arousal. Women, on the other hand, seemed to have no clue; their subjective reports don't match physical response.

As for the limitations of the pupil-dilation study, all of these studies have weaknesses (genital measurement has the problem of sample bias, for example), but this doesn't mean that they're invalid as a whole. The researchers certainly didn't thought so; if they did, they wouldn't have published them. Sexuality is not like physics, you're not going to get completely reliable and exact data, but for the moment, this is the best we have, so we'll have to stick with it.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Student General Artist
But when straight men show slight arousal to homosexual images, this can be explained by the fact that few people is 100% straight. As Kinsey found out, most persons are somewhere in the middle of the continuum.

-That's one way of looking at it. There's other reasons such as the observation that many people will respond to sexual stimulis regardless of orientation and the people they're watching. AVEN have self-reported experiences from asexual males that looks into pornography in order to full-fill their libido. There is also the factor into how emotions can provoke sexual arousal. There are also plenty of other forums which have reports of individuals whose porn preference collides with their orientation and yet they go with what they feel that their orientation regardless of gender. There are still some degree of disconnect in males, but it seems like most would ignore the degree because it does seems to work to predict one's orientation in males for the most part. Oh, just to let you know, the Kinsey scale isn't without problems and then there is problems with all other definitions of sexuality and so on. My point here, arousal is not always an accurate determiner of one's sexuality. There's the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid by the way. In short to say, there could be plenty of reason why some degrees of disconnection is observed in males, but that's not to say male arousal isn't useless as a predictor of his sexuality in general.

Now, I'd like to know where is this experiment with heterosexual and homosexual man/woman having sex with men and women. The results shows that they are clearly physiologically aroused (speaking from memory, mind you), but that can be explained by tactile stimulation.

Of course, sexuality is not like physics and there's still problems such as subjective measures which isn't gonna go away considering the core aspects of sexuality researches has a lot to do with subjectivity.
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