Couldn't think of anything better so I will ask an old philosophical question


Si1VeR-ReBoRn's avatar
If a tree falls down in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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Vulpimo's avatar
yes. A sound is merely a wave of energy.

Laws of physics are objective, they exist regardless of being recognized as such.
After--Life's avatar
Just because nobody is around to hear it doesn't mean it doesn't make a sound.
carusmm's avatar
We assume it does from memory.
kaikaku's avatar
Depends on the definition of 'sound.'
WiNGz69's avatar
Yes because a dog, a cat or a bird might hear it and further the earth would "feel it" (important) so the event itself is taken place sound or no sound. The world moves on with or without us because we are just small components of the world. However the last part of the comment below is also true. I believe what is being said in the below comment is "don't ponder it, just live it". This is even better but sometimes pondering is what gets you there. Hope this helps a bit.
Muffin-Machine's avatar
There is no answer this only meant as a pointer to the fact that the words we use separate us from the meanings of the words we use.
Daniel-Gleebits's avatar
The tree will cause a disturbance in the air particles around it, sending out waves of sonic vibrations which could be defined as sound. The problem here is that the term "sound" refers to the translation of these sonic vibrations into a format our brains recognise. The sound is there in essence, it still exists, but it isn't there conceptually, as in something that can understood and defined, because there are no minds present to perform that action.

Take for instance, the tree that fell. If no people are around, is that tree a tree? No minds are present to give it that terminology, to apply the concept of what we as human beings understand to be a tree, to that tree. But the tree is still there in essence, it still has its physical form and for all intents and purposes, exists. It's just that there's no one around to identify it as a tree.

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taylor17387's avatar
If there are no ears around, it wouldn't make a sound. It would just produce a wave through the air, but the sound is created in the ear (well, rather in the brain). Just like colours, they don't exist in nature per se; it's the eye and the brain what turn electromagnetic waves into colours.
malphigus's avatar
Start with the most old philosophical answer.

"Define X."

:dummy: but anyway... from my point of view, it doesn't make a sound.

Or maybe it does. I just.. yeah, it doesn't make a sound.
DareSmithCreations's avatar
Philosophically nothing that we personally don't experience may not exist so... who's to say that tree ever really fell? who's to say that the tree didn't grow along the forest floor?
carusmm's avatar
I think that David Hume made a mistake on this one. Logically, it'd make a sound.
2hokage's avatar
Sound like all things, is based on perception. Theoretically, if no one were around to measure the noise it would not exist. however there are sentient beings capable of just that everywhere even if we are not present at the percise moment the tree falls the fact that we exist and know the nature of a tree in comparison with our own we know that trees fall often. With this realization comes the automatic, trees are tall, green, brown, ect. Of those realizations is that when trees fall you describe the process of falling based on the sound it makes and the initial *BOOM* that occurs when it touches the ground. This is a simultaneous experience. Meaning, the sound exist because you percieve it INTO existance whether your present to experience it or not, but can only experience it because it exists.
2hokage's avatar
I forgot to give my answer lol... the correct answer is both! making the question irrelevant but still exciting, and enlightening to contemplate.
abeautiful-world's avatar
just because we don't see something or hear something doesn't mean it didn't happen or it doesn't exist.

to assume a tree does not make a sound when it falls down if no one hears it is like assuming that if you cant prove something it must be true.

But We know the tree should of made a sound because every tree we see fulls down so we can assume this one was no different .

now although we cant physically prove it the statistic are in are favor.

i hope that made sense
Si1VeR-ReBoRn's avatar
That made sense, I believe that it wouldn't make a sound because since no one is around to pick up the sound vibrations the sound wouldn't occur but I can see where you're coming from.
luminousBrink's avatar
as soon as I read the thread title and saw the words "old philosophical question" I had a feeling it would be about the tree
Tianithen's avatar
It makes sound waves, the definition of sound is a bit vague and in some the waves have to hit something that can hear them in order for it to be a sound. So yes or no depending on your definition of sound.
Solum-Ipsum's avatar
Does the real world exist while you dream?
Si1VeR-ReBoRn's avatar
That could actually be a great philisophical question lol.
Solum-Ipsum's avatar
Does the event even occur when you do not witness it? This is the fundamental question here. Does the tree even fall, if you do not experience it? Does it "fell in the past" once you assume it did, by looking at the fallen log and contemplating its origin?

Also, when you wake up from a dream, and someone tells you that you have been asleep for a while, and you were tossing and turning as if you had a nightmare, have you had a bad sleep in the real world because present circumstances imply so?
Si1VeR-ReBoRn's avatar
That's a difficult question dreams can occur because of present circumstances but not always.
Malintra-Shadowmoon's avatar
Yes, it does make a sound. Even if you cannot hear it - there are many sounds at this moment. First of all: The sound of the fall. It makes a sound when the tree hits the earth's surface. Secondly, the sound of the tree itself as a tree is a plant and thus a living being. It can feel pain and other sorts of feelings as well it can share. So it hurts the tree when it falls and he will moan in form of a creaking or something. Thirdly the sound of vibration when an object hits another object. When the tree hits the earth, it is like bouncing till it comes to a rest. That spring-effect causes a dumb vibration. Fourth is a think of belief and as I believe in it, I am going to write about it. Everything in the universe is connected like a cosmic network. So everything is in a constant flow of harmony, working closely linked together. When one link in this chain is missing the flux will be disturbed. That you can rather feel instead of hearing.
And the last possibility of sound, number 5: There are other plants (trees, perhaps moss, mushrooms, grass) or perhaps even animals around. They are living beings. And thus they will hear the frequency or even more of the fall.
Si1VeR-ReBoRn's avatar
Intresting answer. :)