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Couldn't think of anything better so I will ask an old philosophical question

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Si1VeR-ReBoRn Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   Writer
If a tree falls down in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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KdaAnimefan Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student Writer
technically,
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Vulpimo Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
yes. A sound is merely a wave of energy.

Laws of physics are objective, they exist regardless of being recognized as such.
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After--Life Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Just because nobody is around to hear it doesn't mean it doesn't make a sound.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
We assume it does from memory.
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kaikaku Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Depends on the definition of 'sound.'
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WiNGz69 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student Writer
Yes because a dog, a cat or a bird might hear it and further the earth would "feel it" (important) so the event itself is taken place sound or no sound. The world moves on with or without us because we are just small components of the world. However the last part of the comment below is also true. I believe what is being said in the below comment is "don't ponder it, just live it". This is even better but sometimes pondering is what gets you there. Hope this helps a bit.
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Muffin-Machine Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
There is no answer this only meant as a pointer to the fact that the words we use separate us from the meanings of the words we use.
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Daniel-Gleebits Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The tree will cause a disturbance in the air particles around it, sending out waves of sonic vibrations which could be defined as sound. The problem here is that the term "sound" refers to the translation of these sonic vibrations into a format our brains recognise. The sound is there in essence, it still exists, but it isn't there conceptually, as in something that can understood and defined, because there are no minds present to perform that action.

Take for instance, the tree that fell. If no people are around, is that tree a tree? No minds are present to give it that terminology, to apply the concept of what we as human beings understand to be a tree, to that tree. But the tree is still there in essence, it still has its physical form and for all intents and purposes, exists. It's just that there's no one around to identify it as a tree.

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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If there are no ears around, it wouldn't make a sound. It would just produce a wave through the air, but the sound is created in the ear (well, rather in the brain). Just like colours, they don't exist in nature per se; it's the eye and the brain what turn electromagnetic waves into colours.
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maltese101 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Student General Artist
Start with the most old philosophical answer.

"Define X."

:dummy: but anyway... from my point of view, it doesn't make a sound.

Or maybe it does. I just.. yeah, it doesn't make a sound.
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DareSmithCreations Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Professional Writer
Philosophically nothing that we personally don't experience may not exist so... who's to say that tree ever really fell? who's to say that the tree didn't grow along the forest floor?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I think that David Hume made a mistake on this one. Logically, it'd make a sound.
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2hokage Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Sound like all things, is based on perception. Theoretically, if no one were around to measure the noise it would not exist. however there are sentient beings capable of just that everywhere even if we are not present at the percise moment the tree falls the fact that we exist and know the nature of a tree in comparison with our own we know that trees fall often. With this realization comes the automatic, trees are tall, green, brown, ect. Of those realizations is that when trees fall you describe the process of falling based on the sound it makes and the initial *BOOM* that occurs when it touches the ground. This is a simultaneous experience. Meaning, the sound exist because you percieve it INTO existance whether your present to experience it or not, but can only experience it because it exists.
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2hokage Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
I forgot to give my answer lol... the correct answer is both! making the question irrelevant but still exciting, and enlightening to contemplate.
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abeautiful-world Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
just because we don't see something or hear something doesn't mean it didn't happen or it doesn't exist.

to assume a tree does not make a sound when it falls down if no one hears it is like assuming that if you cant prove something it must be true.

But We know the tree should of made a sound because every tree we see fulls down so we can assume this one was no different .

now although we cant physically prove it the statistic are in are favor.

i hope that made sense
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Si1VeR-ReBoRn Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013   Writer
That made sense, I believe that it wouldn't make a sound because since no one is around to pick up the sound vibrations the sound wouldn't occur but I can see where you're coming from.
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luminousBrink Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
as soon as I read the thread title and saw the words "old philosophical question" I had a feeling it would be about the tree
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Tianithen Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It makes sound waves, the definition of sound is a bit vague and in some the waves have to hit something that can hear them in order for it to be a sound. So yes or no depending on your definition of sound.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Does the real world exist while you dream?
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Si1VeR-ReBoRn Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013   Writer
That could actually be a great philisophical question lol.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Does the event even occur when you do not witness it? This is the fundamental question here. Does the tree even fall, if you do not experience it? Does it "fell in the past" once you assume it did, by looking at the fallen log and contemplating its origin?

Also, when you wake up from a dream, and someone tells you that you have been asleep for a while, and you were tossing and turning as if you had a nightmare, have you had a bad sleep in the real world because present circumstances imply so?
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Si1VeR-ReBoRn Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013   Writer
That's a difficult question dreams can occur because of present circumstances but not always.
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Malintra-Shadowmoon Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, it does make a sound. Even if you cannot hear it - there are many sounds at this moment. First of all: The sound of the fall. It makes a sound when the tree hits the earth's surface. Secondly, the sound of the tree itself as a tree is a plant and thus a living being. It can feel pain and other sorts of feelings as well it can share. So it hurts the tree when it falls and he will moan in form of a creaking or something. Thirdly the sound of vibration when an object hits another object. When the tree hits the earth, it is like bouncing till it comes to a rest. That spring-effect causes a dumb vibration. Fourth is a think of belief and as I believe in it, I am going to write about it. Everything in the universe is connected like a cosmic network. So everything is in a constant flow of harmony, working closely linked together. When one link in this chain is missing the flux will be disturbed. That you can rather feel instead of hearing.
And the last possibility of sound, number 5: There are other plants (trees, perhaps moss, mushrooms, grass) or perhaps even animals around. They are living beings. And thus they will hear the frequency or even more of the fall.
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Si1VeR-ReBoRn Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013   Writer
Intresting answer. :)
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Malintra-Shadowmoon Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, but that is only what I experienced and what I feel in my soul, heart and mind :)
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gvcspecks Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
does it matter?
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macker33 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Course it do, unless you are into pluralism.
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KingStephenArthur Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Photographer
yeah
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hungryartistsunited Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
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Pakaku Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Yes. It goes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH crash
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Kenota Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
If the tree is completely unobserved, then the event which caused it to fall both happens and doesn't, and thus the tree is only describable by the superposition of <tree|fallen><tree|unfallen>.
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Nenril-Tf Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
In a physical way, yes, it produce sonar waves so it makes sound.
But, a phenomena can be called as it because we can observe it, so even if it made a sound, it is as it didn't because no one can said it did.
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KlaxonLithology Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Frankly, there's enough organisms with ears around to be able to hear a sound made just about anywhere on earth. Something heard it.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013   Digital Artist
Does a bear shit in the woods?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Blinky Bill is a koala.
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Elmida Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
I don't know much about science and physics but I think that when there's no 'receptive' like an ear or something around to hear the sound waves the falling tree makes then they are just silent sound waves because it's the systems in like our ears that turn vibrations in the air to sound.
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student General Artist
Define "sound"
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, no one's around to care whether it made a sound either. :lol:
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
The debate over this question arises from a simple equivocation of terms: does the word "sound" refer to the mechanical action of the propagation of waves through the medium of air, or the human experience of sound itself? Once you resolve that issue (by for example, substituting new terms for each) the problem goes away. It makes the former but not the latter. All are in agreement on this.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Is there a sound outside of human experience?
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Dog experience.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Is there a dog outside of human experience?
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
In other dog experience.
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Si1VeR-ReBoRn Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   Writer
Intresting answer. :)
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
All trees make at least a small amount of sound when fallen. Whether sentient beings capable of hearing sound are there or not does not matter as to whether a fallen tree makes a sound. This assumes that the tree is in a medium capable of transmitting sound. If the tree is in a perfect vacuum it makes no sound.
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kaput6no Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   Digital Artist
If there no one to hear it, there's no proof that the tree fell, or even exist.
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KlaxonLithology Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Then, I suppose we'll have to assume all the dead trees laying around were put there in a semi-dessicated state by the hand of god at the moment immediately before they were observed? That is preposterous.
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
But if we assume for the moment that the tree did fall, proof is irrelevant. The tree still made a sound, but no-one can prove it.
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Jade-Abarai-Kat Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
ask your self this, if i fart in a forest with no one around if there still a smell.
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thesurrealisticMind Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, and sometimes it will scream..
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