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Do you love Satan and demons as scriptures say you should?

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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Do you love Satan and demons as scriptures say you should?

Does love the sinner and hate the sin means that Satan and demons are to be loved?

The reason being that sin is a happy fault and necessary to our growth. Listen to this hymn please.

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Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

This statement has no qualifiers and since Christian tradition says that we are all sinners then it follows that all souls and sinners end in heaven. If God loves all sinners then this view must include Satan and demons and all of us as we are told that we as sinners have all been condemned and thus in need of salvation. It would also mean that non-believers, atheists and those of all the other faiths who are truly lost will also be saved by Jesus.

If that be the case then what this bishop says must be truth in that hell is a religious construct and a lie.

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These logical inferences are quite clear and I would like to hear from any who can argue against our having to love Satan and demons and against the notion that hell does not exist.

Many say that God is love.

Scriptures also say that God hates sinners even in the womb as in the story of Jacob and Esau contradicting what was said above.

If God is love, how could he hate anyone including Satan and demons?

If sin cannot abide in God as tradition states and God hates, ---- and to hate is a sin, then does sin abide in God?

Unconditional love should mean that God loves all unconditionally including Satan and demons.

Is Godís love unconditional or does it come with conditions like us having to love, honor and obey him?

Is sin necessary for mental growth?

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DL
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:iconyourdoom243:
yourdoom243 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Professional Writer
Satan poops.

Everybody poops.
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:iconvulpimo:
Vulpimo Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
'Does love the sinner and hate the sin means that Satan and demons are to be loved?'

No.

Sinners are people.

Lol this is the most naive and failed interpretation I've seen yet XD
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
You really thought out your answer. Not.

If Satan is not a sinner then why is he condemned to hell?

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DL
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Vulpimo Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
lol did u ever read anything about it? XD u know there is one book describing all that...

and sinners= people. It can be a bit of a spoiler, but satan wasn't a human...
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:iconapricots-from-nara:
Apricots-from-Nara Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student General Artist
Stop sighing your initials. They don't even match your user name.
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:iconsiegeonthorstadt:
siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
Contradiction is not fallacy, it just indicates different systematics of literature. But yeah, if everything in the Bible were to be true there wouldn't be a need for Kuran.

OH btw before you unleash your Islamophobic accusations, let me tell you this beforehand:

*insert counter mother-insult here*
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
I dislike all the Abrahamic genocidal son murdering God equally regardless of the cult.

Feeling sorry for your own little cult are you child?

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DL
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:iconsiegeonthorstadt:
siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
there is no son-murdering god in any other Abrahamic religion than christianity. what are you talking about?

this is the problem with pop-atheism\vauge-agnosticism. they think everything is christianity which had the misfortune of being the religion that was being employed while they have having their teenage angst tantrums
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Lumdrop Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
The reason that Christianity says to love other people is because we are imperfect and can change.
Demons are fallen angels with supreme intellect and power who made an intelligent choice to oppose God (according to the Christian demonology) who will never change their mind back.

That's why loving demons is a waste of effort...according to Christian demonology.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
Yes but Christians run from questions of their demonology like the following one that never gets an answer from them.

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A moral God would initiate the sentence of hell he supposedly put on Satan and he would not just let this convicted evil run free.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Right?

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DL
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Lumdrop Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I suppose so.

But then again, maybe this whole of human history in which Satan is allowed to stir crap up with impunity is sort of like the situation in Job.
God has faith in his follower, Satan thinks he can break him, and God goes, "Prove it" and gives him time to try.

I dunno, that's the only thing I could come up with off the top of my head :?
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
Yes but if you read the story of Job, you will see God admitting that Satan moved him to hurt Job without just cause.

Imagine God blaming Satan. How droll.

Only a real prick of a God would be so evil.
All to win a bet that he supposedly knew he would win.

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DL
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:iconlumdrop:
Lumdrop Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I still think that Satan is the bigger prick though.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Other than Job where he was doing God's bidding, what evil do you see him doing?

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DL
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:iconbetweenskill:
BetweenSkill Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Student Writer
Well the funny thing is... none of this is real! Shocker!

Our imaginations from a primitive, brutal, bronze-age, desert-dwelling tribes created God, who then created Satan. So yeah..
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
No argument with this.

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DL
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:iconalzebetha:
alzebetha Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
I do. Hail Satan!
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
Satan is just another sinner so I do not know why you would hail him any more than any other sinner.
Unless you hail all sinners and that is possible I guess if you love them the way you are told to.

Would you still hail him or some other sinner if they raped you?

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DL
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:iconalzebetha:
alzebetha Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
I hail the concept of sin itself.

Depends on how enjoyable the rape is, unlikely but possible.
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:icontimehasanend:
TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist
"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit (Satan) that now worketh in the children of disobedience...Ephesians 2:2."
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
I see no answer here to the O P.

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DL
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I love Satan as my Lord, not.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
Then you do not love your neighbor as Satan, like God, can only be expressed through humans.

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DL
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
There is something sick about a god that finds Satan acceptable but not a good man.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
I agree.

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DL
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:iconjstar19000:
JStar19000 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Satan is believed to be our original god by a lot of people.
The only sin in Satanism i read is just being stupid.
SUCH AS:
Jumping off a house.
asking for directions when ITS RIGHT THERE. (friend does this a lot. XD)

God made everything. So...
If he made the all powerful light, he CAN and DID make the all powerful dark.
So Satan isn't really evil. he's just looked at like that 99% of the time.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
Strange. I see the reverse when I read of God's murders in scriptures while Satan does little of that.

God looks rather Satanic as compared to Satan.

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DL
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:iconincandescentinsanity:
IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student General Artist
I dated a demon once
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Most have. If lucky.

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DL
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:iconunclegargy:
UncleGargy Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Smurf happens, get over it! But then snakes usually get beaten for just being a snake! :ikillitplz:
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student General Artist
1.) What makes you think hell is for those God hates?

2.) What makes you think sin is for our growth?

3.) What makes you think Satan and his demons need growth?

4.) What makes you think God hasn't given Satan several chances, and that he failed them?

5.) What makes you think hate, as an emotion, is a sin?

6.) What makes you think you are separate from your sin?

7.) What makes you think a fallible bishop is more trustworthy than God?

8.) You do realize the one who spoke of hell the most, and in the most detail, was Jesus, right?

9.) Where does scripture say God hates sinners?

10.) Did you look up the sheep and goats parable yet?

11.) Did you look at world history, like I asked, and come to a conclusion?

12.) Are you willing to give up everything humanity has given you in favor of living as you describe, free from innocent blood?

13.) Do you want fries and a drink with that foot?
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Thanks for the question. My reasoning is above.

Now try to answer my simple questions.

I will do your first though.

Hell, a place of pointless torture and death, is hardly a place to put those one loves.

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DL
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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Student General Artist
I've seen your reasoning, what I'm asking for is your sources.

Satan and his demons are the embodiment of sin. They want nothing more than to torment and destroy mankind, as we remind him of the One who cast him out, we are made in His image after all, even if that image is only a shadow due to our sinful nature.

Hate, in of itself, is not a sin.

By that reasoning, no God is sinless. He wouldn't be God otherwise.

The purpose of hell is to house Satan and his demons for punishment. As Jesus came to save man, not Satan, there is no redemption for them. Mankind has been called to be formed in God's image. Through Jesus, mankind can be transformed into that image. Without Jesus, it is impossible to achieve this. Thus, one could argue that heaven is for those who are God-like, and hell for those who aren't.

God's love is unconditional, but He isn't a pushover either. Look to Israel in the Old Testament for examples.

Sin isn't necessary for mental growth, but spiritual growth.

Your move.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
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DL
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:iconkillianseraphim:
KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Student General Artist
You're point?
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
Is that your theology does not work, is contradictory and rather stupid.

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DL
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:iconkillianseraphim:
KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Student General Artist
Your opinion is noted. Now go do you homework.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I think this explains who greatest-i-am is.

he's some form of closeted fundie nutcase. Explains the snake in the avatar.

If I was going to be rude, and paranoid, I'd suggest "provocature", from some church group,
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Yes. My own.

As to the snake, God in Eden told you what it is. You should heed his words.

Think Kundalini and the rewards God gave Satan for his work.

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DL
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"As to the snake, God in Eden told you what it is. You should heed his words."

See, here is the thing, I take you, and your religion, and your religious works about as seriously as I take greek and roman mythology.

Its fun, its interesting, its been at the heart of great culture, and present along with great civilizations. In fact I'll even say both have inspired great minds.

You can also say the same about star wars, the matrix, Beowulf, Gilgamesh or other great works of fiction, contemporary or classical.

However, rationale minds don't take mythology at face value.


in your own deluded mind you think that somehow we are all being tricked by this fictional "satan" character, when the only trickster is a real flesh and blood frothing at the mouth lunatic.

you. You are making the enemy you with to fight later.

When you do it in an argument its called a strawman. When you do it too a group of people its called a provocaeuter.

You want the anarchists to be bomb throwers? get some of your own people to dress like anarchists and throw bombs.

You need Muslims terrorists? Recruit your own with freshly caught felons of unrelated crime, and drag in anyone so broke and desperate that $100k in cash for mass murder is an option. (along with the alternative of being fed, and housed in prison for the rest of your life)

So I guess when some fundies need to prove the rest of us are all tricked by satan, greatest-i-am comes along to dredge some up out of nowhere.

So if I am wrong, and your seriously turned off by the whole concept of god, why do you waste time quoting the bible. By doing as much as acknowledging the bible as unquestionable truth, you pin yourself as an adherent of the Christian faith, and the bible says Satan is wrong.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
"I take you, and your religion, and your religious works about as seriously as I take greek and roman mythology."

I am not a Christian and we are on the same page in terms of myths.

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DL
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
then why do you quote the Christian bible, like its unquestionable truth?

Its obvious you believe it as unquestionable truths, otherwise you wouldn't be asking us to read it.
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:icongreatest-i-am:
Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
What should I quote when speaking of Satan and the words of bible God?

Buda?

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DL
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
the truth is while pretending to be a "satanist", you are really a christian evangelical.

This will later be reposted elsewhere on the internet, or in some small publication to warn other christians about the "dangers" and how prolific "satan worship" is.

This tactic is called being an agent provoceatuer.
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Its a classic tact when your adversary is not exactly, or even close to what you want them to be for your arguments against them to make sense.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
Actually I call myself a Gnostic Christian and have no belief in fantasy creatures like Satan and the genocidal bible God. Miracles and magic are for children.

The only thing I want to provoke that Christians grow up.

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DL
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:iconjuliabohemian:
Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
I’m a Christian and I think he’s insane.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I did not mean "All Christians". Not all Christians are frothing at the mouth lunatic fundimentalists. In fact most aren't. In fact I think most Christians, as a whole are good upstanding moral people.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
No, I know you didn’t. I just mean, I consider myself to be a Christian, albeit a more liberal one than I used to be, and I think this guy is a few cards short of a full deck.

I wish the most vocal of us weren’t the most retarded.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
even many of the slightly more "conservative" ones aren't as derpish as the extremists, or their political mouthpieces.

Christian is also a very big group. So is the protestant subgroup.

You have episcopalians and methodists who tend to me more liberal.

you have the evangelicals and baptists who tend to me more conservative.

You have the catholics who are conservative on social issues, but progressive on fiscal issues.

Then of course there are the anabapist groups, all of which are strict pacificts.(quakers, luddites, etc..)

Nor are all "liberals" or "progressives" as dopey as every last yuppie corporate/social ladder climbing hypocrite, nor most anarchists bomb throwers, nor are most modern day socialists revolutionaries in any concept.

That said, most stereotypes have at least one living example somewhere.
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