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Do good and bad exist?

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Pez263 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do they? We are told what is and isnt, weather it be our parents, institutions, or even the Disney movies we watched as a kid, but what would good and bad be if we had only nature? Would they exist at all, or would everything just simply be? We live our lives then die, regardless of what we do time continues to go forward and existence to some degree continues to exist, so does it truly matter what good and bad are to us. I feel like I'm just rambling on, but what are your thoughts on this?
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seth2012chaos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
They do, but they differ depending on variants.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Good" and "evil" are subjective terms, and thus, not particularly useful ones, in my opinion. That is, of course, assuming you meant "good" and "bad" on a moral axis.

I have to agree with dear old Democritus on this one, "All that exists are atoms and empty space. Everything else is just opinion." Out of ignorance, he failed to include "energy" in that model, but the sentiment is nevertheless quite accurate.
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MaryYana Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013   Traditional Artist
Good and bad are words that are tied to opinions. They exist, but their complete definition varies. In many cases, most people can agree on what is good and what is bad on a general level. For example, most people would say that death is a bad thing, on a general level. Then you get down to the details and people immediately disagree. For example, some are going to say that death itself is bad, but since they believe in heaven, they believe it leads to something good. Some are going to say that dying for your country is a good thing. The list goes on.

On a general level, good and bad does not matter. People die, species die, stuff changes for the better, stuff changes for the worse and the universe couldn't care less. On a human level, good and bad matters greatly. Since we are a species with a survival instinct, we will all continue to care about good and bad, as we see bad as a threat to the survival of our genes.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
yes good and bad do exist. If you think otherwise you are retarded. Good and bad exist just as mathematics exists, so saying murder is wrong is the same as saying a triangle has three sides.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
It would depend on your definition of 'murder'.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
killing the innocent.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
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CatapultedCarcass Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Put it this way, there was no good or bad before life arose, only chemical reaction and physcial mechanisms.
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MatthewMatters Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
Only subjectively.
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Yes and no.

Nothing is inherently good or bad, but something is good or bad for you.
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