See it this way. When you die you will no longer be conscious and aware of time so an eon will pass in the blink of an eye. So if therefore you are reborn it will be in either Nature or a system that has replaced Nature or that is in balance with it. For example if one was to be reborn as a pig on Earth they would surely know that they are in hell and see the humans as demons of torture and only see Heaven as Nature.
HEAVEN WAS NOT MADE FOR HUMANS BUT FOR ALL CREATURES. HUMANS ARE MEANT TO BE PROTECTORS OF THE GARDEN AND ITS CREATURES. THE GARDEN IS NATURE. HEAVEN IS WHERE ALL LIFE IS FREE TO EXPRESS THEIR BEAUTY, NOT JUST ONE LIFE FORM. IN THE COSMOS WHEN YOU ARE BORN AGAIN YOU WILL MOST LIKELY TO BE REBORN WITHIN NATURE. GOD CREATED ALL PERFECT FROM THE START. GOD IS LIFE, NATURE IS GOD'S EXPRESSION OF SELF.
HEAVEN WAS NOT MADE FOR MEN BUT FOR ALL CREATURES. MEN ARE MEANT TO BE PROTECTORS OF THE GARDEN. THE GARDEN IS NATURE. HEAVEN IS WHERE ALL LIFE IS FREE TO EXPRESS THEIR BEAUTY, NOT JUST ONE LIFE FORM. IN THE COSMOS WHEN YOU ARE BORN AGAIN YOU WILL MOST LIKELY TO BE REBORN WITHIN NATURE. GOD CREATED ALL PERFECT FROM THE START. GOD IS LIFE, NATURE IS GOD'S EXPRESSION OF SELF. THE ANCIENT WORD FOR HEAVEN IN PICTOGRAPHS IS NOT SKY IT IS NATURE.
but i'm not surprised why. you see the consequences of eating from the forbidden tree would have made it impossible for the Garden to remain in it's current state. weeds and changing climate, and weather all these things would have just made the garden turn from paradise to normal landscape.
Although the tree of life makes a return in Revelation 22. Some conclude the description of the river flowing from the throne and the presence of the tree indicate the now perfected man's return to the place created for perfect man.
The Garden of Eden was an actual location on earth. There would be no reason for it to be mentioned after Adam and Eve were evicted because no one could get in, and after the whole global catastrophe of the Flood, there's no reason to assume it would still be around.
I guess I came across the theory that the dead sea was once eden and then it got pretty wrecked up. But I think it's a place on earth, since Adam and Eve didn't have a space shuttle when they got gtfo'ed
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Okay, mind you that I'm not a theologist, nor a Christian, so take my stuff with a grain of salt.
Also, I think I've made a grave mistake:
The Cosmic Demiurge is Adam, Lord of the Firmament. The Firmament is the residence of the sphere of unmoving stars above Eden, but still under the Heavens; essentially, the cosmic bounds. Adam in Eden is Adam, King of Kings, Lord of the World. These are states of human spirit, which is currently disintegrated in a plurality of me, you and them. We could say that today's human is "designed by the image of man", and thus has the potential to resurrect the integral state of the Eden man, and through him, the Cosmic man. Though Christianity denies this, it would ultimately point toward ascending up to, or in the same understanding, becoming (one with) God.
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Eden is above the Firmament (the skydome, as the bounds of material reality).
The Garden is by no means a mundanely perceivable place (though already a part of creation), but it is rather an analogical reference to a plane of existence. Adam is by no means a mortal human creature, more like the Demiurge (the cosmic lord, designed by the image of God). The Genesis is one of the most profound and thus most "encrypted" part of the Bible/Torah, with so many supernatural (highest natural) and even supranatural (beyond natural) connotations that taking it literally is a terrible mistake.
Key point given to A & E is the virtue of seeking knowledge instead of obeying a command to stay as bright as a bricks.
I also find the following view quite compelling as it answers many questions without having to believe in talking snakes or a God who would murder his children by neglect by keeping them from what would allow them life. The tree of life.
Some people think that the garden still exists somewhere. Others think it was destroyed by the flood that is referenced in the old testament. I consider myself a Christian. But I honestly don’t think heaven is a physical place that is actually located somewhere, as much as it is a transformation of our energy into a superior state of some sort. That’s a drastic oversimplification. I imagine that Eden was probably very nice and perhaps some people’s idea of heaven. But I don’t think that Christian dogma indicates the two were one in the same.
Actually it wasn't much of a garden after the fall because God let thorns and thistles and all kinds of noxious weeds take over the place. With that I'm sure all the nasty bugs and creeping things took up residence there too. God only kept Adam and Eve out, not anything else. After A&E fell, God didn't want them to live forever in their sinful bodies, only in their spiritual ones which was their souls.
Do you have any idea why God put him there in the first place?
I have an idea but you might confirm it for me.
It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
This indicates that Jesus had no choice.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. That’s who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.