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Are you a religious person who ignores science?

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tcpanter Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I am agnostic before anyone jumps to any conclusions about my beliefs. But I do have a question. Having looked through this forum a little bit I have seen several posts from believers who seem astounded that anyone can be atheist. As though it is absurd that someone doesn't see the "facts" that God exists. Now as I have said before I neither beleive nor disbeleve but I want to know how beleivers feel about things being the other way. For example dinosaurs and evolution and stuff. There seems to be a wealth of tangible evidence that could prove evolution but people seem so hell bent disbelieving. I want to know how any of you beleivers feel about why a lot of science is so absurd and why religion offers a more plausable alternative.

Things like the magnitude and complexity of the universe make me think a higher power must be involved but then the lack of "miracles" and things like that make me question it. Like if all the stuff in the bible is true then how come none of it has happened since?
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Rhichter Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
"That could prove evolution."

The biggest misconception about evolution is ultimately a purposeful one. From a scientific standpoint, you would have an easier time disproving the theory of relativity and Newton's theory of gravitation.

In fact, if someone tasked me with trying to disprove either newton or Darwin, i would chose newton because at least there is a slight sliver of hope that i may actually find some tangible piece of evidence that opposes it.

Evolutionary biology is infallible.

And nah, i'm a scientist at heart. (And education). Being an atheist just lends merit to my understanding.
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Alphasunking Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like science too much to ignore it but I only really read general science articles don't like it enough to study it out side of college.
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hungryartistsunited Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
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silverHyacinth Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm Muslim and science actually plays a very large role in my religion.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Only part of it. As is so common with many religions.
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kausawolf Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm religious, but completely believe science :3
They can go together, and skiff you reelly renounce all science you are doing yourself a disservice.

No one has all the answers, we're on earth to learn and grow, skiff you completely blow out science you aren't learning oar growing very much!


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Sky-Quill Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
sorry for such a long post but its worth the read.

ah the old reason VS. faith. debate. well I can say with some experience with both sides that no. I do not disregard factual science. I actually find it awe inspiring to see all the wonders of our world. However for those who do I can give a little in site to why.

There are people who read the bible in the context of our legalistic mind set of today. the bible is compiled of many books written by different people. and many of those books are associated with different theologies as well (Judaism and Islam)these books are thought to be inspired by god.

And that's where the similarity's end. The language of the bible can be enchanting but at the same time difficult to understand. It takes a lifetime of study, meditation, and prayer to even begin to comprehend its meaning. However there are those who read a single verse of a single book and assume that they understand the context and intent of the words. THIS IS THE MAIN REASON FOR MOST MISUNDERSTANDINGS.

Now evolution comes into play with the script of genesis where it is described how god created the world. Those with the "legalism" mind set think "well if its not in the bible its not true" which is foolish. The bible gives a VERY broad description of creation which is surprisingly similar to the big bang theory and such. IE. let there be light = explosion of gases and energy.

Secondly one must also take the view of evolution from a theological perspective to understand why some people might be offended. even when none was intended. Christians and Jews (not sure about Muslims) believe that god crafted the world to his design in. some think it actually was 6 days some think otherwise. they believe that it was planned. while the theory of evolution is incredibly solid and logical. many non theists state it in a manner that completely disregards any supernatural or intelligent design. and this is what sets off a lot of people.

as we have all heard there is no scientific evidence to prove or disprove theology. and then you have the spaghetti monster joke by anti-theists. to put it simply. whatever happened was over a millennium ago time has passed and the world has changed physically. It is not the job of science to prove or disprove. Nor is it's job to educe social change.

Science is what is known to man by solid facts based on observable evidence.

Science is the how. and for many theology is the why.

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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Now evolution comes into play with the script of genesis where it is described how god created the world. Those with the "legalism" mind set think "well if its not in the bible its not true" which is foolish. The bible gives a VERY broad description of creation which is surprisingly similar to the big bang theory and such. IE. let there be light = explosion of gases and energy.

Sorry but Genesis doesn't even come close to what science currently says. I hate the fact that people will dismiss a literal interpretation but still try to claim Genesis is relevant in at least some way. It isn't, it's a complete load of rubbish just like every other creation story written by people who had no understanding whatsoever of the world. I wish "moderates" would simply come out and say that part of their hoyl book is flat-out wrong rather than trying to make excuses for it.
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Sky-Quill Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
:iconjakethedogplz::iconsaysplz: we all have our own way bro...we all have our own way :iconhugplz:
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CapturedJoe Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I'm a rather strict Roman Catholic, but I don't ignore science. I think science and Religion don't need to contradict each other. Or in most cases ayway.
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Actually, I'm quite confused. Roman Catholicism is anything but compatible with science (at least that's my opinion). I would love for you to show me in which ways RC is compatible with science.
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CapturedJoe Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Well... Eh, let's take as example the creation of the earth; In the bible, God tells Mozes that he needed 6 days to create the world, while science proves that it took millions of years to shape the world as it is now. I interprete the bible not 100% literally here, in as much that for God, a million years could as well be a day. So that could mean that for us, it was millions of years, while for him it was a few days. God isn't bound to time or place anyway, so teaches the Church. Also, science tells us that humans only recently (in these millions years, not recently like a year ago) populate the earth, while God says he created humans after he created all animals.

I also think that the Evolution theory, while not being applicable to humans in my belief (the bible is more clear in that case), could be true for animals.
It's just how you interprete all this, I think. The bible and the chuch' teachings leave plenty of room for interpretation anyway.
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Science doesn't, however. According to evidence, humans evolved, with very little doubt about it and no room for 'interpretation'.
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CapturedJoe Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Yes, that is one case in which religion and science do contradict. But there are other cases in which it doesn't.
But, uhm, evidence?
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Evidence, which science is based on.
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FruitsOfHarvest Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student General Artist
Not believing in god, I understand. I'm baffled by people who say the dinosaurs never lived ant the proof is RIGHT THERE!
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MindOfInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm not religious, but I ignore science anyway. I'm a dreamer and I have my own theories about a lot of things. I don't believe in science unless I've seen or tested things myself.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
So essentially you just don`t trust humanity? Why is that?
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MindOfInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Long story. Because I'm a troubled kid.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Nothing X-filesy I hope?
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
So what do you think the Sun is? A massive ligh bulb? You've seen light bulbs and you have a rough idea of how they work yet when have you ever seen something you can confirm is a nuclear fusion reaction? How about germs? Electricity?
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MindOfInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
It could be a huge lightbulb indeed, only i wonder whatkind of batteries it runs on.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Not sure if troll or very stupid...
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mimer Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
So you don't vaccinate yourself until you've gotten a degree in immunology?

I could go on forever with examples on how this kind of "I don't believe in science unless I've made the experiment" is bull, we all use and trust scientific principles and discoveries daily that most don't know how they work and certainly have not tested themselves.

Ignore science because you're "a dreamer", why in the world would this be necessary? Some of the best and brightest in science have definitely been dreamers, there's a difference between that and being ignorant, which is what ignoring science is.
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After--Life Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Science is part of knowledge, and God created us humans with a brain on purpose.

According to my ideology, Science + Religion = Islam.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
Except Islam ignores larger parts of science.
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After--Life Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh like what?
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Evolution for one. Another that springs to mind is claiming fresh water and salt water don't mix.
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After--Life Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Islam promotes Evolution.

You need to clarify your second point.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I think you will find that Islam flat out denies it. Middle Eastern countries have some of the lowest acceptance of Evolution in the world. "A 2007 study of religious patterns found that only 8% of Egyptians, 11% of Malaysians, 14% of Pakistanis, 16% of Indonesians, and 22% of Turks agree that Darwin's theory is probably or most certainly true, and a 2006 survey reported that about 25% of Turkish adults agreed that human beings evolved from earlier animal species."

Also if you go here [link] you can see that in the USA Muslims have only a 45% acceptance.
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After--Life Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So you are saying that the opinion of a demographic has authority over what the doctrine and religious laws state?

Completely flawed out concept you have just given me.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Doctrine and religious law state nothing in favour of Evolution, they follow the usual Creationist talk. Can you provide me text that states in clear terms that Evolution is true and not some vague writing that you can twist to mean whatever the hell you want it to mean.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist
Because, Jesus Christ and His apostles, as recorded in Scripture, are the cornerstone and foundation of our faith (Ephesians 2:20). In this sense, miracles are no longer necessary, as the message of Jesus and His apostles has already been attested to and accurately recorded in the Scriptures. Yes, God still performs miracles. At the same time, we should not necessarily expect miracles to occur today just as they did in Bible times. That's why God gave mankind knowledge and wisdom, (i.e), doctors, engineers, scientist, policeman, fireman, etc.

God performed the greatest miracle of all time in coming to earth as Man Jesus Christ to die on the cross for our sins (Romans 5:8). So, that we could be saved (John 3:16). God does still perform miracles—many of them simply go unnoticed or are denied. What we need is to believe in the miracle of "God Salvation Plan" for mankind through the "Faith in Jesus Christ."



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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I heard this: 'Because the Bible said so.' How do you know the Bible is right?
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
That's why God gave mankind knowledge and wisdom,

I thought that was the other guy? You know, the one who convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit of knowledge? And then god banished humanity from the garden of Eden?
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Saeter Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
Depends on the interpretation.
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
With the Bible, there's no verse in which there aren't a million different viewpoints.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
And why it should be ignored.
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yup.
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LadyData Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I actually believe in the evolutionist and creationist theory and yes I am a believer. Ik what you all must be thinking...How on earth can I believe in both isn't that contradictory? No because they both come hand in hand. I believe that God did create the world, galaxies, and all species a like however they all didn't come to be in the present forms that they are now because at some point in time these creatures evolved like how ape evolved to man for example. Evolution is based on how a species can adapt to an environmental factors in their area. Again I am not shoving down my viewpoint on anyone I am only making a statement.
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Operia Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally, I follow science. It makes more sense to me, although I don't disregard the idea that there may be a deity
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Religious of what religion? Christianity?
Religion is not Christianity, Christianity is a religion. Strict Buddhists don't reject science you know?

Now now, for people who will argue Buddhism is not a religion, well it has evolved into 1 before Christianity even exist.
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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Firstly, I'm not sure if the aforementioned posters are fooling around, or are really that sheltered. I know I used to be like that, but then I began to realize that people can't see the world the way I see it, unless God shows it to them, it says as much in the Bible.

Secondly, though me saying it would matter little to anyone, miracles have happened since biblical times, people just don't bother with documenting them. They are circumstantial events that no one can repeat for documentation and testing, namely because Christians have no control over when and how these events happen. The closest thing to a documented "miracle" we have are prophecies that have been fulfilled over the years, and even that takes a measure of faith that few are willing to provide. As I said, me talking about it will matter little to most people, so take it however you like.

And finally, I fail to understand the separation of science and religion. The only things I've seen in Christianity that conflicts with scientific findings, end up being interpretations, myths and ideas that don't line up with what is actually written in scripture. Thus I look to them both equally to formulate my worldview.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
So a Christian will call any circumstantial event or otherwise a miracle from God and not for any other reason?
The real reason is because in biblical times EVERYTHING was attributed to the will of God. Now that we know how a great many of things once called the work of God is a product if natural causes. Knowing that there is no longer a need to create mythologies for explained phenomena and so no grand miracles.
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You can't blame them for that though. Back then, if you couldn't pin it on God or the Devil, who COULD you pin it on?

That and people drank wine for water so everyone was probably at least mildly drunk most of the day.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
I don't blame them I blame people today for still believing in the nonsense.
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
lol well, the funny thing about religion is it's just vague enough that whatever it says can still be valid....ish
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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student General Artist
Poor choice of words. Let me rephrase what I meant. Miracles are events, for which there is circumstantial evidence. If you want to have solid evidence of miracles existences, you would have to actually be present during the event to understand the circumstances involved.

Though I may have to disagree with you on the ignorance of biblical times. Unless turning snakes into sticks, walking on water, talking donkeys and floating hands can be explained scientifically, I think they knew more about supernatural phenomenon than we realize. Now, the Middle Ages, sure EVERYTHING was attributed to God's will. I'm more than willing to profess to the ignorance of that time period.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Yes a half decent magician could easily pull those off and a ventriloquist.
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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student General Artist
Considering the floating hand trick was part of a prophecy about the fall of an empire, that's some pretty impressive slight of hand.
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