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Homosexuality is a choice

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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
personally, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice and the point of this thread is not to debate or argue about whether or not it is choice. Lets say Homosexuality is a choice, science has proven that in fact a person's choice to be gay or not, So what?
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staple-salad Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I don't think it should matter. As long as it is consensual and not abusive I don't particularly see why it is mine or anyone else's business who a stranger loves, sleeps with, or marries.
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Helge129 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It isn't a choice. Nobody just goes "Hey, I think taking it in the ass and getting shamed by society is a great idea!".
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I do.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist
"Even, people who have the genetic traits of an athlete may naturally gravitate toward professional sports or be encouraged to play. Although, athletes share some common traits, being a professional athlete itself is not heritable. Wherefore, the culture in which an individual matures or homosexuality, for that matter. It a choices he makes and decide his career path. Therefore, it's all a matter of choice."
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist
A profession is hardly comparable to sexual attraction.
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DayanDeVarlo Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Well then it's the best damn choice I ever made.
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Tinoculars Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Is homosexuality acceptable only if it's not a choice? Well in that case, if it's proven that it is then we should STONE THEM!
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
we already do that in Washington.
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moonlight311 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
yeah lets talk about something real
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macker33 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Whats with all the gays posts? gays are boring, this is a religion and philosophy forum,
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist
"They do admit though it was a matter of choice."
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TimLavey Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Hypotheticals is a new concept to you, isn't it?
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Keydan Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
I'm all neutral towards gay people, but really, those who are born gay are gay, no doubts about that, or have a hormone background to back their love for same sex, but there is a group of gays that are more sexual deviants than gay, and those people i have a dislike for, for they actually have a certain psychological profile to them and they are form a good chunk of the stereotype.
They appear to me as normal people trying to be albinos or black fort that matter, and thus powder their faces white or blacken it with grease, metaphorically.
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Even if homosexuality was a choice, who's to say it's a bad one?
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist
"In the book of I Corinthians 6:9-10, the sin of homosexuality is listed right next to thieft. Just as there is no genetic excuse for stealing nor there is no genetic excuse for homosexuality. Environment, culture, and choice make one a thief, and the same factors make one a homosexual."
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PippinTookoftheShire Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Not everyone on DA agrees with the Bible. You should know.
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
exactly, too many people associate unnatural with something bad.
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
I agree.

Anyways, who's to say what's "natural" and what isn't?
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist
In 1996, The Advocate, a gay and lesbian magazine, asked readers what they believed the potential impact would be to the advancement of gay and lesbian rights if a scientific discovery proves a biological basis for homosexuality. About 61 percent of the magazine's readers asserted that such scientific research would advance the cause of gays and lesbians and lead to more positive attitudes toward homosexuality. For example, if one can be born gay, much as one can be born with brown eyes, then a fair society could not possibly condemn him as being unnatural or immoral. To that end, gay activists and the liberal media have actively encouraged the idea that homosexuality is inherited and unchangeable, and researchers have diligently sought scientific evidence to back up that claim. Unfortunately for the pro-homosexuality movement, the research on this subject has failed to establish any scientific evidence that shows a purely genetic basis for homosexuality.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student General Artist
Finally something of yours that has relevance.
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
so, unnatural isn't always bad. Someone shouldn't feel bad if they want to fuck someone of their same gender, it's a victimless act.
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i-stamp Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I've always thought nature vs. nurture is a red herring argument. As if it were okay to deny rights to people just because they choose a non-harmful action. Religion is a choice, too. That doesn't mean we don't invest energy in protecting their right to religious freedom. So should we protect people against discrimination based on sexuality, whether they choose that sexuality or not.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist
That's why God gave us the freedom to choose, whether if it's good or evil.
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empiredice Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Well, polygamy/monogamy really is a choice, or can be at least, and I still stand behind marriage equality for reasons that apply equally to sexual preference. As long as everyone involved is informed and consents (adulthood implied by ability to consent) no one else should have the ability to prescribe what kind of family you can legally have. There are so many rights tied up in civil marriage related to looking after your non-blood family that it should be recognized as a violation of human rights not to have marriage equality.

Bigots would take it as ammunition for their agenda though. We've all seen how they treat the lack of a particular "gay gene" being found.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Indeed. So what.
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Paleosonic Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
IF it was a choice, I think most gay, bisexual, pansexual, asexual etc. people would choose to be straight - me included.
Not because being gay (or bi-, pan-, asexual) is a bad thing, but because it is way easier to live as a straight person.
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Agreed. It's much easier to be straight.
I don't have any problems with being gay anymore, but a couple of years back I would have definitely chosen to be straight if I could have.
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Paleosonic Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To some degree it's surely a matter of age.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist
So, in another words, you're admitting it was your career path of choice?
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Career path of choice? I'm not a professional homosexual.. xD

And I said it IS NOT a choice to be gay. I got beat up and bullied A LOT in highschool when they found out I was gay.
If I could have chosen to be straight, I would have back then. But I couldn't.
It's no longer an inconvenience and I'm happy in the relationship I'm in. So I wouldn't change it any more if I could now.
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Vanhir Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I wouldn't.
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Paleosonic Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad there are others who are more optimistic about it than me :D

Why not? Where do you see the advantages?
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Vanhir Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
At no point in my life have I ever let the opinions of people I don't know, like or respect affect me in any way. If I did I'd be a completely different person, someone I'm not. If someone doesn't approve of my sexuality despite having absolutely no relationship with me at all, why should I care? It's impossible to make everyone happy so... Whether they accept it or not isn't my problem. I'm not going to change for strangers and I never will. I hate explaining it like that since it seems like I'm basically saying "IF U DNT LIEK HOW I AM THEN FUK U OKAY" but... That's just how it is for me. :shrug:

Also I really like guy sex. :la:
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
I wouldn't really choose to be straight. I don't believe in sexual orientation labels either as there is no definitions without a problem. I'm still capable of performing sexual activities with a partner of opposite sex and sexuality does not really prevent physical capabilities.
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Paleosonic Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sexual orientation labels are just terms that make it easier to describe things - sure they are never 100 percent accurate, but neither are most other words we use to describe people.

I agree that it doesn't - being queer is not "naturally" more difficult, society makes it so. For example, I would have saved a lot of time in my life if I didn't have to think about coming out - therefore I'd rather be straight.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
One can be a homosexual man and have sexual fantasies of 3some with women.

Sorry, wanted to fix this. I'm sure you know I mean something else as most naturally assume a homosexual woman would enjoy fantasizing about 3some with women, but that's not to say that fantasies always align with real interest.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist
In another words it was "inconvenient." We read this truth in the book of Romans 1:27-28. Where, God speaks of homosexual and bisexual of "unnatural use."

And, likewise also the men, leaving the "natural use" of the "Woman", burned in their lust one toward another; "Men with Men" working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a "reprobate mind", to do those things which are not "convenient." --Romans 1:27-28.
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Paleosonic Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I definitely do not agree. I don't see homo- or bisexuality as unnatural, for me there are no logical arguments for that.

As for the bible argument: First, I'm not christian, so I don't follow the bible. Second, I'm not sure wether it really implied that homosexuality is a bad thing - I've never read the bible completely, maybe I should though.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
Back in the day when I valued sexuality labels, I still wouldn't come out because of well, who gives a shit about what I do in my bed? Now, if they want to know my interest sexually, I would have to ask them in respect to what. There's fantasies, emotional, sexual activity preference, etc... One can be a homosexual women and have sexual fantasies of 3some with women and fantasies aren't necessarily a indication of real interest as fantasies and reality don't always align. Hell, even emotional interest don't always align with sexual interest. You get me?
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Paleosonic Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do. But in case you would want to come out (like me), could you not also use labels for that? I've heard people use labels like "homoromantic heterosexual", for example. It would me much more comfortable than telling in detail who you have sex with, with whom you want to have a relationship and what you fantasize about.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't know how would I come out without labels. I'd just say it in a detailed matter and let them decide what to label me. I am leery of labels myself.
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sonatabrej Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
I don't know why people argue about the gay population. I mean, as long as nobody is hurting me I don't see any problem. I mean, yeah, I don't like them - but I'm not one of them and they are not bothering me into becoming one of them, right?
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RockyGems Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
Wait, never mind. I get it.
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RockyGems Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
Links, please.
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Homosexuality is a choice. A pre-incarnation choice.
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TeamUnitedNerds Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
It doesn't matter if it's a choice or not. It's not actually hurting anyone. Wake the hell up
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
ersonally, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice and the point of this thread is not to debate or argue about whether or not it is choice.

Careful, just because you believe something or think it seems factual, there could facts actually contrary to your belief.
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know, I fucked up. I blew it!
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nokari Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
It's a hypothetical question. What do you think would happen if homosexuality was proven by science to be a choice? This isn't about his beliefs.
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