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Have you ever forgiven someone? If so, who needs God to forgive a second time?

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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Have you ever forgiven someone? If so, who needs God to forgive a second time?

It is to the one sinned against to have the first right of forgiving when forgiving is possible. That would be most sins and crimes save murder.

I have had the pleasure to forgive on a few occasions. I will assume here that you have also forgiven someone at some point in your life. I have had that pleasure after the pain and hope you have as well. I have stepped up to ask for forgiveness as well after sinning against someone and am thankful that people can and do forgive. This benefit I also hope you have enjoyed.

Our consciousness and ego are what we use to judge what should be forgiven. If we lose that ability to judge or if it is usurped, damage is done to our consciousness and ego. It would negate intelligent use of our freedom of choice. It would negate our free will and deny us closure.

The Government has taken our freedom of the body from us with various restrictions. Everything from what we consume to our right to die with dignity. God has taken our freedom of choice after death from us with his judgement. Jesus has taken our freedom to face our accuser from us by saying --- only through me --- as our only judge.

These usurping of your free will to forgive means that you could never get closure from offence and hurt.
That would make Jesus as big of a disgrace as his father in ignoring our free willed choices. People judge constantly. We cannot help but to do so. To have our judgements usurped or ignored shows a flaw in the justice system you follow, be it secular or religious.

The God of the Jews who evolved to be the Christian God had a different view of forgiveness than Jesus had even though Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Jesus as God would be from the Christian perspective. Not the Jewish one that has the majority of Jews as never accepting Jesus as their messiah. The claims to judging and Jesus’ status, or not, --- as a messiah--- needs not be discussed in this O P.

“Jewish belief states that G-d doesn't forgive our sins against others until we ask and receive forgiveness directly from the person we wronged.”

“In Judaism, the acts of repentance and forgiveness are inextricably linked, and we must never let our anger toward others cause us to lose sight of self-reflection and cleansing.”

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Did Christianity and their version of the Jewish God usurp your power and benefits of forgiving?
Does that negate your free will, and your right to forgive?

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DL
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carusmm Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I neither forgive nor forget.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Must be tough to live with so much hate.

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DL
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xTernal7 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You are the legion.
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RiONX Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
i try, but it seems like the only people that i ever have to forgive are people trying to convince me that i need to forgive them, that makes the whole process a rather precarious one.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Seems that that is the way it should be.

It would be quite strange if those who do not need your forgiveness would be coming around asking for it.

I understand your situation but fail to see your problem if they actually did somerthing to you. If not, just tell them so.

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DL
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RiONX Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
The problem isn't really the people at all,i guess; it's a prevalent system of psychological road blocks keeping them from behaving in a human manner. i guess i could hold them responsible for giving up their humanity so easily, but which one of us hasn't experienced some kind of pain that didn't make us want to give up? should i really hold them responsible because they didn't have the strength to overcome their own weakness?
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
If people are not responsible for their own actions then who is?

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DL
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RiONX Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Mostly the masters and systems they've given reign over their consciousness.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
You use the term they've given.

That 8indicates it was their choice to give so how is it that others must take the blame for what they have chosen to do?

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DL
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RiONX Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Why did Anikin Skywalker kill all of those Jedi children? Was it because he had access to a light saber or was it because he had been taught the religion of the Sith?
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