First, your Christian friend is an idiot if he really believes that the existence of ghosts somehow negates the possibility of God. Considering that a ghost is one of the persons of the holy trinity, then it seems like god and ghosts get along pretty well.
Second, given what we know of demons, no, you don't want to summon them. It's just a bad idea. Third, considering that humanity has been tussling back and forth about the existence of ghosts since the beginning of time, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that they're not real. Thus, no one has actually had a genuine ghost encounter, they've only experienced things they can't explain.
angelxxuanFeatured By OwnerDec 31, 2012Student General Artist
I have summoned demons yes, know the rules upon summoning, casting a circle strong enough to hold one and don't ever believe a nice and fluff person to be not a demon. Ouija boards can be another dangerous device to play with. but ghosts do exist, some believe them to be an essence of something left behind, the person was so strong in life or they were so connected to something of possession that even in death they linger. and others believe they are actually true ghosts/spirits wondering about. Christianity is one of many religious beliefs towards ghosts/so forth, other religions and individuals believe otherwise. if it wasn't for so many near death experiences I believe I wouldn't have such a clear understanding of how this works.
Mercury-CroweFeatured By OwnerDec 31, 2012Professional Artisan Crafter
How do ghosts disprove God? I though the idea among those type of people is that the soul didn't find its way to heaven or whatever.
Anyway: For me, in my path, ghosts are a natural part of the universe. I don't believe they are, for the most part, the spirits of the deceased, more like echoes of their energy left behind. I believe once in a while there MAY be an actual soul in the area, but generally not.
Yes, I can and have summoned demons. But I know how to put them away properly. And the word 'demon' is rather subjective, anyway, Christians have a very different definition than I do. And as for the why, well, because I needed something from them.
Hm, when I was a kid my room was really badly haunted. It was built across an old logging road. Really, REALLY freaky things happened. Doors opened and shut, things grabbed me from under the bed (literally- so many times that until I was an adult I slept curled into as tight a ball as I could so they wouldn't be able to get my feet from the foot of the bed), I had double doors on my closet and they would disengage from the tracks and slowly bloom open in the middle of the night...
The only really interesting 'new' ones are from quite awhile ago. A farm I worked at had been built over a civil war road, and we'd occasionally see soldiers walking down it. There was a lady (well, half a lady) who would stand at the top of the stares and occasionally try ad push you down, really creepy nasty thing. Then there was Fred, who would roll glasses down the hall, change the TV and alarm clock (I caught him at it one night after the third time he did it) and write on the wall- you'd see impressions of lines appear that would go away after you either read or traced them with a pencil. And he'd sit down on the bed, you could actually see his butt-prints.
Your friend sounds conflicted, but at the very least he doesn't believe in ghosts.
If I had the ability to summon demons I would because that would be cool as hell.
Yes, I do actually have an interesting ghost encounter. Unfortunately the encounter takes a bit to recount. I do not believe in ghosts. I find it more likely that my brain was convinced that I was seeing something rather than something actually being there.
When I was a christian, I didn't have any problems with the idea of "ghosts" existing. And neither did anyone else. Perhaps you can tell your friend this: "Ghosts are disembodied spirits who haven't went to heaven/hell yet". That'll probably make him see things in a different way.
I wouldn't summon a negative entity if I could. There's no point in doing that.
I don't really understand your first question. Are you asking what would happen if we suddenly gained irrefutable proof that ghosts either exist or do not exist? Or what would happen if ghosts had just been wandering around in plain sight all along?
Whether or not I summoned a demon would depend on how you're using the term "demon." If we're talking about about demons as in "inherently evil beings which will take any opportunity to harm to others," then no I would not summon a demon. That would be stupid of me. However, in a lot of mythologies, demons are perfectly capable of being kind, trustworthy, and gentle. In that case, yeah, I might summon a cool demon. He'd be my bro and we could do shit together.
I've experienced extremely weird phenomena that I cannot explain, but they've been nothing like typical experiences for ghost encounters. If anything, they'd be more animatistic and animistic experiences than experiences involving souls of dead people. The only times I've seen the likes of apparitions or poltergeists is when I'm on drugs or doing that thing where I wake up but am still dreaming, so I guess I can explain that. For the rest, I still remain largely unconvinced, because I've studied psychology and I know how fallible our perceptions and memories are. I'm not going to blame my experiences on spirits or "energies" or hallucinations or anything, because the only truth is that I don't know what happened.
Probably not. Those whose beliefs are confirmed by the new findings will gloat, of course. Those whose beliefs are discredited by the new findings will rationalise and deny it the same way they might rationalise and deny the facts that the earth orbits the sun and evolution is a thing. Maybe some followers will be won and lost. But overall, I doubt much change would occur.
I don't fully understand why that would be a deal-breaker. I guess because it implies that the spirits didn't go to heaven or hell? Most of the Christians I know believe in ghosts of a sort, I think...? I guess I haven't asked them all specifically.
I don't know if I've had ghost encounters. I've had things happen that I thought might be encounters, but they didn't stand up to scrutiny, and in any case I couldn't prove that they were encounters. I've also got so much wishful thinking that they were that I'm afraid to let myself imagine that's what they were. I want people to survive death. But I think the most likely scenario is that they don't, and that human cognition is funny. There are patterns where there are no patterns.
If it helps, I had 2 encounters. 1) Woman as tall as my hallway (8 feet) with no eyes and fully blackened out mouth and white clothing (Cliche' much? Come on ghosts!) Then I went blind for a few seconds. 2) I was walking down the hall and bumped into something. But nothing was there. Like, the hallway is 4 feet apart, and I bumped into something, like a wall/or maybe a person that was invisible.
I know right? Wow, only took 4 years to find someone accepting of demons xD (Someone not devoted to the subject). Another example of propaganda would be the fact Hell is full of flames and fire but not described as that in the Bible.
Depends on which one you summon, but yeah, there's chaotic neutral. And some dude who I assume is a demonology professional said you can restrain it's presence meaning you can release just enough of it to see it and speak without it being able o harm or influence. With that said, I'd go for the ugliest, most evil one you could find.
1 - well Buddhism believes in reincarnation of if there are spirits wandering about they might be those who are stuck on the earthly plane and simply haven't been reborn yet. Hinduism seems to share this characteristic (from what little I know of it).
Christianity....seems to stay away from the topic altogether. The only mention of it seems to be that of the holy ghost/spirit who is an aspect of god.....later people made up that thing about becoming an angel if you were a good person before you died.
Shintoism seems to thrive on the premise that everything ever has a soul and personality that can "become a youkai" if it leaves said body, is worshiped, or gains enough knowledge and wisdom to live beyond it's years.
2 - yes, partially t see if I could, partially because I think demons are rife with motivations and complex thoughts just like anyone else and don't really deserve their bad reputation. If one can be summoned safely...well I'd to try
3 - this one time, my friends and I were in a car, alone at a stoplight that was flickering between red and green. We wrote it off as a broken light and went our way. When we came back later though, there was another car on the road, and the light was working fine. Being somewhat out of our minds (I blame too much sugar and lack of sleep) we circled around about ten more times. When we were the only car in sight (about 5 times), the lights would flash. When we weren't (about 3 times...this was like midnight) it would be normal. The last two times we were alone, but it worked normally so we figured whatever was trying to fuck with us had basically given up by then XD
Well, I can honestly say that no human *should* have the real answer to that first question. I'm a Christian, but in my opinion, I think there could be spirits wandering around. I would not summon a demon. There is plenty evil in the world without them. No, I don't believe I've encountered a ghost.
Your christian friend is either understudied in their allegedly holy Bible, or taking it far too literally, as if he were to study a bit more, he'd realize that according to his religion, there is an entire invisible spirit world of angels and demons.
Yet again, an amazing example of Christians contradicting their own beliefs. And he studies or, well,appears to be reading it. Sadly he has invested too much in God so he's adamant about HIS interpretation which many Christians seem to be doing nowadays.
Did he say he believed in ghosts and then said ghosts didn't exist? If so then that would be a contradiction. Making an ignorant statement isn't a contradiction, especially since your friend isn't any kind of scholar or expert.