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Pros and Cons of an Undying World

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TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Everyone on planet earth is suddenly immune to torture, disease, pain, annihilation, death, and aging. The entire human race is now perfectly immortal.

List what you think would be the pros and cons of such a world.
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:iconvanhir:
Vanhir Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
We'd stagnate forever and probably start losing our marbles.
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:iconmondu:
mondu Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Cons -- we eventually run out of space and use up the resources of earth.

Just because you can't get sick or die, doesn't mean life on earth will not be a hellhole.
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anark10n Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
More time to see things through. And exponentially more time to waste :P
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Ok...when does this 'anti age' thing start. NOW? So all the useless babies will STAY useless babies forever?

You can't GROW without food, so if we didn't eat we'd be pretty much stuck exactly as we are.

You REALLY want a generation of people who never grow up? And pretty soon the earth would be covered by squishy, crying babies nobody wants. You'd have the current population of adults, and all the never aging infants we produce.


And these kids would never intellectually age, either. So really...useless.

Aaaaand all the people who can't deal with the kids, they spend eternity torturing a baby they don't want? And the kid spends an eternity being ignored and abused? Being immune to physical pain doesn't mean you can't be scared or emotionally hurt.

I can just see people throwing their 50 year old squalling infant against the wall and kicking them around like a football.

Wow, this is getting really dark.
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Deizzan Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I would imagine that it would be alright for the first few hundred years. Eventually, though, I have to imagine that it would become amazingly boring going into the first few thousand. of course I would hope that we as a race would begin to explore interstellar travel. That would definitely add a few thousand more years of entertaining experiences. Still, in the end I have to imagine that it would become amazingly boring and ultimately lead to existence being torture. Who knows, it would be nice to be able to read everything I'd like to read.
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sounds like an episode of Torchwood. Captain Jack Harkness can never die. He even got pulverised into a pulp and still came back. Being immortal is a curse not a blessing.
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DutchConnaisseur Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Finally we will get into space. If we are immortal we don't need suits, protection, food, water, oxygen, heat and we will have all the time of the world to reach other systems and even galaxies.

If you mean not dying of old age or disease, the answer is pretty much the same. But we would need things like a space elevator, ships, stations and bases. But we would have plenty of time to invent and built those.
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WhiskyOmega Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional General Artist
If death ceased to exist the biggest problem would be overpopulation and running out of resources to feed and house a growing population, eventually all the world's resources would be used up and the planet would be choked to death by an overabundance of Humanity.

No one would have to worry about starving to death because in your scenario that threat has also disappeared, but eventually all the world's plants and animals would be eaten or destroyed, the delicate balance of the food chain would be broken and the world would die anyway.

But then, considering aging has also been stopped in this scenario, would it be possible for new children to be born at all? The fertilized egg needs to age in order to begin dividing up into the cells that will bring forth a new Human; without aging the egg will go no further then the fertilized stage and eventually get flushed out during the woman's cycle. No more Humans would be born.
That solves the overpopulation problem.

But the world is overpopulated as it is right now and it struggles to sustain us and the other life on its surface; the only good thing I could see coming out of immortality is that perhaps with more age will come wisdom in our race and we'll learn how to work with nature to benifit our world instead of against it.
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
we'd over populate the earth in ....oh about twenty or so years.
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:iconempiredice:
empiredice Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
This scenario contradicts itself. People wouldn't be people still if they can neither age, die, reproduce nor be tortured.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, if we haven't colonized other livable worlds yet, overpopulation and food supplies would be a nasty problem, to say the least.
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:iconabstract-mindser:
Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Only on Earth?
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Not really? For sake of the discussion, no. Any human, any where.
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:iconkaikaku:
kaikaku Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It would become overcrowded. The natural world would probably disappear in order to make way for the human populations. Or humans would start enforcing no-reproduction rules which would lead to emotional suffering for those who wanted to have children.

Maybe we'd escape it by finding other worlds to populate, probably destroying this one in the process.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Jesus.
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:iconjuliabohemian:
Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Boredom would be my biggest concern.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
and a very important one in a world where you live forever.
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:iconkyteglory:
KyteGlory Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Justin Beiber's balls will never drop.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You mean he would never die! :nuu:
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Beiber doesn't have balls.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Very true... but is this a pro... or a con... o.O
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Would hunger still be a factor? If not, progress would probably crawl to a halt. War is one of the key driving factors in technological innovation.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
indeed. But perhaps the new spark of innovation would be sheer boredom?
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's never happened before, but who knows in a theoretical scenario like this. :O
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
:XD: Yar
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:iconkyteglory:
KyteGlory Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Oh, I'm sure we'd figure out ways to have wars even if we can't kill one-another.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not a way to have war so much as a reason—we wouldn't need to fight over resources :shrug:
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:iconkyteglory:
KyteGlory Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
We'll think or reasons.
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ideas?
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:iconkyteglory:
KyteGlory Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Let's see... We've fought wars of national supremacy [The World Wars, just about any colonial war] wars of ideology [The Crusades, several of the Cold War proxy wars] wars over non-critical resources [Opium Wars, arguably the current Iraq/Afghanistan]...
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neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
National supremacy was for resources and shit, though, which we presumably don't need any more. Ideology wise, I'd say ideologies are driven by wants/needs. It sounds like from all this, we won't have any.
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KyteGlory Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I'm sure we'll still have wants. And some of the "resources and shit" we've fought over definitely weren't necessary for survival. I mean. Spices. Silk. Precious stones and metals. We don't need those to live unless you're convinced that your survival depends on being more pimped out than the guy next to you. Which, admittedly, some people at the time seemed to think was the case, but I suspect that they believed it in the same way that half of Politics Forum thinks they'll die if you take away their guns. Probably they won't die, but it's convenient for them to believe they will.
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KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student General Artist
Life would become dreadfully boring after the first few months.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I would say at least a few centuries before life became truly dull.
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:iconkillianseraphim:
KillianSeraphim Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student General Artist
Depends on how adventurous people were feeling.
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M-J-Gagne Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Can people still reproduce in this scenario? If so, complete over population would be an obvious consequence. Of course, since people can't di,e I am not exactly sure what the result of that consequence would be. Can you still suffer mental and psychological damage in this world?
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
In this world, only the physical body is unchanging. The mind can still be destroyed or repaired. Let's say overpopulation isn't an issue.
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M-J-Gagne Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So overpopulation is an issue in the sense that people are immortal but can't have children? In any case:
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-It screws up our evolution, so we would forever remain as we are.
-Likely will experience everything there is too experience in life and eventually get bored.
-Depression on a massive scale (maybe)
-Learn everything there is to know about the world and the universe, and possibly get depressed because there is no more mystery to be had.

Pro
-It screws up our evolution, so we would forever remain as we are.
-You won't need to save for retirement, or retire.
-Be able to experience everything there is to experience.
-People won't have anymore reason to go on about God and the after life
-Learn everything there is to know about the world and the universe, without relying on generational knowledge.
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:iconrunespainter:
RunesPainter Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
People would have nothing to live for.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Although I agree, care to elaborate on that?
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:iconrunespainter:
RunesPainter Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sure, as long as you respect that this is entirely my opinion. ;) Don't want to start a fight (which is ironic to hear from someone entering a forum based on religion)

In our limited, Earthly lives, we all know we're going to die, so we try to make our lives as best as can be. We learn valuable lessons as we age, which wouldn't be possible in an undying world.

Where life is eternal, we would have no reason to want to do anything, anytime, because we would know that time is unlimited and we will always have a chance to do something, whenever. There'd be no such thing as hope, faith, or religion because there would not be death, or the mystery of where to go next. We would not have to worry about finding that one special someone, or going to once-in-a-lifetime events, because such things would not exist.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Very nice points. Thank you. :D
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:iconrunespainter:
RunesPainter Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank YOU. :aww:
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
In only a few generations all biomass on Earth would be locked up in the form of human bodies, forming a layer of solid human flesh across the surface of the Earth, host to trillions of human minds all suffering the agony of sores from all the chafing, being crushed beneath the weight of the population above, and also starvation and/or being cannibalised.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
as stated in the original post, pain is impossible in this world. Humans have been rendered unchangeable on a physical scale.

The idea that humans would allow reproduction on that big of a scale is silly, but would make a fascinating story. Plus, if people couldn't age, it would stand to reason that anyone born in this world would stay trapped in the body of an infant. China has population control. So would this world. Maybe.

Very good points though. Keep em coming.
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:iconbullet-magnet:
Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Well if you're going that far, pregnancy is impossible. As is movement and awareness.
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:iconterrytatcher:
TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Good and cool point again. :D
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ShadowStone13 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Is this particular world of humans allowed to reproduce? If so, there's one big problem.
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TerryTatcher Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Filmographer
But how is that a problem? No one can die. They can't starve or become malnourished. They can't age either. so any infants that are born will stay infants, assuming they can even be conceived in a body that is perpetually unchanging.
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ShadowStone13 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Space. You would run out of space.
Also, what about the other species on the planet?
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