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"Artists are stupid"

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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
I don't really know what to think about this. Don't think of me as a bad person. I am only curious. This is also my first time on the forums and I am also really tired lately.. <.<

Now. Let's say someone says this to your face or you happened to be after getting dragged into an argument such as this and had no way out of it until it ended; If it started along the lines of this, can you come up with a response?:


"What kind of bright minded student such as ___ would take up a career in art?"
"Why the hell would someone as smart as you would aim for a career in art? Why not go take up something that's actually worth your time or intellect?"
"All artists are stupid."



Really though. What would you say? :?
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AnataraKentara Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I get a more "Art makes you poor"

To please the "art is stupid, you're to smart' and "art is poor" crowds,

go into CGI and the like.

Art-filled AND makes money.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
You need to calm down and really educate yourself. Think about the latest movie, cartoon or things you use everyday. Did you think those things that entertain you were stupid? All these in a way were conceived by artists. Or like think of your favorite musician. Thats an artist too. All these behind the scene stuff are all done by artist that are credited more then the movie stars them selves, and yet the majority the public don't care or bother to notice their talents.
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Factoryrain Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student General Artist
Being an artist is REALLY rough. None of us can be top notch perfect to everyone like a math paper with a 100 written on it.
We have a practice for years and strive to be good enough.
It's hard to be noticed.
People are HARD on us.
The people around me have no bone in their body to respect art.
Look at those websites you go to, ARTIST DESIGN THEM. Look at your purse because someone designed that, too! Your house, wallet, school, pillow cases, shirts, underwear, EVERYTHING. An artistic mind and soul created that. Without us, people, it wouldn't be so appealing.
Think about the shows you watch. Someone wrote that. Writing is art.
Is it animated? OH GOD SO MUCH WORK WENT INTO THAT YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT.

"Stupid? Sir, I'm going to go out and do the things I love to do. What are you going to do with your life?"
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bryosgirl Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
How I answer would depend on who and how I'm asked. Mostly my response would be, "Because I enjoy it," (or something to that effect.) As for the "Artists are stupid," attitude, if I'm feeling argumentive I may give a list of careers and individuals who have discreditted the claim, but the rest of the time I'd probably just roll my eyes and walk away.
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tdroid Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Are Atheists stupid? Many are. So are many Theists. Most humans seem to be. Nothing unique to any one group really.
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've never seen any correlation between intelligence and success in life (in the sense of having lots of money and power).
In fact, it seems to be the other way around. The most stupid and illiterate people end up being rich, famous or politicians.
So, rather than being stupid, artists are just impractical. The same can be said about those who choose a career in theoretical sciences like mathematics or physics. They rarely end up earning more money than those who choose a business career. But are they stupid? No, not in the least.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
"You haven't the slightest idea of what art even means. Nor do those who claim to be artists. Art is almost dead. What's left is mostly just kitsch, a lewd brothel selling out the guts.
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Soriyns-Knight Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
"Why the hell would someone as smart as you would aim for a career in art? Why not go take up something that's actually worth your time or intellect?"

Because my intellect is to good for you.
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Strangemass Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes I am. :picknose:
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Deizzan Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
As someone who was one of those people who was told that I was "too smart" to do the things I wanted, I'd say that it's an absolutely awful bit of advice to listen to. I want to college for 3 years as a Computer Science major and dropped out because I was bored and hated it. Not surprising is the fact that the only A's I received were in my creative writing and other English & Literature electives.
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Nenril-Tf Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
There are differente type of intelligence...but i didn understand why and artist is stupid, i mean lot of scientist were artist and an artist can anticipate the eras also in lot of philosophies the artist is the one that can comprehend the real essence f reality...so, i don't know...on what bases they have to say it...?
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skulkey Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
they have none.
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WhiskyOmega Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional General Artist
When asked something similar to what you've mentioned (and i have been), my answer has always been "Because I want to." Period. End of story.

Art has nothing to do with a person's intellect, to begin with, and some of the greatest artists ever known have also been great minds of their time.
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
There are 3 different types of intelligence: informational, creative and practical. For some reason, the public at large does not comprehend that. It's like saying the person who physically built your iphone is less smart than the person who wrote apps for it. That's not true. They just have different areas of expertise.

And if we are talking informational intelligence, the person in question has obviously never been to proper art class. Sure it's not the rote vocab memorization, or experiments blowing your face up, but it takes a lot of sheer brain work to get your basics down. For one thing you have to understand balance and movement BAM! PHYSICS! You have to understand anatomy BAM! BIOLOGY! You have to understand how light affects colors and be able to manipulate your materials to do what you want them to BAM! CHEMISTRY!

There are three types of intelligence: informational, creative, and practical. Artists simply have more of them than the idiots who have no choice but to hate. :)
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DOTB18 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you thank you!
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FeetOnFire Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I would be so mad at the person. And I think it's sad, that some people think such things about artists.
I've experienced it myself, when I told some family that I quitted Highschool (In Denmark you call it Gymnasium, usually people from the age of 16-19 or 20). To go to a Danseschool.
- But I feel sad for people, who don't know how it is, to be and feel creative. All the things and feelings you can deal with, and the beautiful things you can create :D
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mci021 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Welcome to the forums! One thing you should know - don't make excuses for yourself or your thoughts. It only makes things worse. If you have a perspective, own it. Defend it to the best of your ability because that's what we're all here to do. That's what this type of conversation is. If, over the course of that conversation, you find that your perspective changes, then have the humility to say that your mind has changed. It might not be fun, but it'll make you a better debater in the end.

So, on to the topic at hand.

First, I'd slap anyone who said that to me. Why? Because sometimes, people need to be slapped when they're being morons. Second, I would get them an ice pack, because I'm not a monster, and I would say "I'm looking at art as a career path because I'm intelligent. Because I'm bright. I'm not willing to jockey a desk and use only a fraction of my ability because it's safe and secure. Artists aren't stupid. Artists are the people who drive innovation. Artists are the people who build multi-million dollar industries. We're the ones who have the courage to think differently and to solve problems. We're the ones who design your iPhone and who make your Xbox work. We're the ones who create whole new worlds for you to explore in film and on television or in books. We're the ones who work out how to filter drinking water practically and cheaply. We're the ones who have the unique perspectives that lead to the things you use every day. If you're asking me to take up something worth my time and intellect, then you're asking me to be an artist because there is nothing more worth my time, talent, and intellect than that which allows my mind and my enthusiasm the free-reign necessary to create."

If that doesn't wow them, then you just tell them to fuck off and go draw them falling off a skyscraper.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
"No, you're stupid."
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
What do people with English degrees do? My parents always thought I was the dumbest one in the family so they told me I should do government work, seeing as they hardly do any work.



Pursuit of knowledge is virtuous despite what that pursuit may specifically deal with.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
It depends entirely on what you mean by 'art'. Creating things, like painting? Being more of a commercial artist, such as designing marketing imagery? Or just studying things like art history? Or even the humanities? I would think such derision stems from three sources: perceived value of art; anti-intellectualism; and pseudo-intellectualism.

:bulletpurple: 'Artists are stupid' being the perceived value of art, and general ignorance of what art involves. I postulate that they fail to see the importance of art, both for commerce and leisure.

:bulletpurple: Anti-intellectualism would be against actual learning, which probably also ties into a low perception of art's value. Learning the history of art, or even the humanities with philosophy, literature, and even law. They'd see this as useless to a career, and thus just pure selfish indulgence.

:bulletpurple: And pseudo-intellectualism... one which I happen to despise, myself. Some people 'learn' things, but often just vomit buzzword-salad around a few pieces of information. I used to be that person, but now I am glad I'm not. They're not the people above that actually do learn. So not only are they thought 'stupid' for pursuing higher learning in art by anti-intellectuals, but they're also thought 'stupid' for pursuing higher learning but not actually learning.

That's what I can say due to ancedotal evidence, at least.
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Debra-Marie Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Tell them to do some research. I think they forget some of the everyday people who are artists and design things we use everyday such as cars, houses, and clothing.
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   General Artist
YOU GO GIRLFRIEND
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Debra-Marie Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
;D
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Atlantech Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
THIS
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Debra-Marie Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
;)
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
I'd say "You're stupid for thinking I'd ever put money above happiness."
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
I disagree with that. My line of creative work could make good money, same chances as striking oil as say someone who majored in business. And business as we all know is just a form of gambling with better control and higher returns.
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
I'm not saying artists are unable to make win a good amount of money. I'm only saying that regardless of how much money I'd win, I'd stay with what I love doing.
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
Money doesn't buy happiness or
eternal satisfaction in your life ;P
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Exactly. :nod:
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
By the looks of it,
I think you like tigers.
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
:lol: Yes, yes I do.
Why?
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   General Artist
Because I like Tigers too :meow:
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Good to know. :excited:

Happy new year, by the way. :la:
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mondu Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Only a tiny, tiny fraction of artists make a living of their art. Look at DA. Probably less than 1% of the people here make a living through artwork. For most of us, it will be nothing more than a sideline or a hobby.

As such, as a career choice, "artist" is indeed stupid. And yes, artists who think they'll be successful in the field are very likely to be stupid. Or at best, naive.

That does not, however, mean _all_ artists are stupid. Some are cognizant of the fact that they aren't going to make money off of their artwork. "I know that I won't make money out of this, and I don't care."

There's also the matter of biology. Supposedly, right brained people are said to be more creative. Left brained people are more logical, analytical, objective, and good with numbers. Artists are said to be more right brained than left brained.

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If this is true, then, well, there might be some truth to the matter of artists being less intelligent (again, not everyone). Most people consider being logical, analytical, objective, and good with numbers as good indicators of intelligence.
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
dude, DA is a REALLY BAD example simply for the fact that there's a significant fraction of it that is basically dedicated to ghost accounts of little icon with cute pictures like this :iconcutecryplz:

there is literally no threshold of skill required so needless to say, about 70 or so percent of this site is going to be crap. Most of them aren't serious artists, and they're really not expected to be. If it was THAT hard to make a living as an artist the Art Institute and the various art colleges around the world would have collapsed by now.
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The whole brain hemisphere dominance thing is largely a misconception.
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
The majority of artists here on deviantart are adolescent teenagers,
who have yet to enter college as well as adults who are still in college.
Many of them are on dA looking for help in improving their art,
while also (maybe not all) are also interested in socialising with people with the same interests as theirs.

Finding artists on websites like Facebook can be awkward and not all of them enjoy the sensation of feeling awkward.
If there is one thing an artist should be aware of,
its that it takes time to get a diploma in art,
meaning that artists will have to find ways to earn money in order to pay off of the college fees and purchase supplies, not to mention rent as well as food. Particular courses in art college require a certain amount of points in their final exam in school before the artist takes up a course they want in the college itself.

You are also saying that anyone who ever thinks of getting a diploma of art in the future is thick and should drop the idea of ever pursuing a career in art. Of course, it might require some luck but that doesn't mean all artists should drop the idea.
What about all those graphic designers for gaming companies or various different industries requiring diplomas in art?
What about those animators who are in Dreamworks or Walt Disney?
There is also 3D animation which requires a hell of a lot configuration
and mathematics in order for it to work perfectly in rhythm with music as well as voice acting,
to display the emotions within a character or to set the mood within a sequence,
and it isn't 3D animation alone.

Just because someone happens to be left brained doesn't mean they should just abolish plans on pursuing an art diploma in what they are interested in.
That's saying all right-handed people are stupid and that every industry that looks for artists should avoid hiring right handed artists. It all boils down to what kind of form of art they work best at as well as their management of time.
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MischievousPooka Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Interesting. I am an artist but I am really good at math, formulas, and Chemistry. So this would not be accurate with everyone but maybe for some people.
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ShakuChan1995 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't care, they can go to the help. When they take something deeply in mind, even the best arguments won't help, so just leave them. :)
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JericaWinters Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
I wouldn't call them stupid but I think the career choice is a bad one unless the artist is the best of the best.
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
Oh Hitler..
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh Germany. If only your art schools weren't so stritch the holocaust might never have happened.
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Armonah Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Nothing. Because arguing with stupid people is a waste of time.
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
But observing it is fairly entertaining though :P
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AvisCelox Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"Ok then, if it's so easy, draw this: *hands over random object, almost anything will do*"
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Jade-Abarai-Kat Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
"If artists are stupid, then hand over your house, furnature, car, and wallet."
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LaEmperatrizMariana Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "Artists are stupid". Most of the time the argument they use basically means that the artist should've made a better career choice because art-related jobs are "difficult" to come by.

If this happened to me, there would be no argument because I sort of agree with them. :shrug:
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Aistar Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   General Artist
True.
It all really depends on what kind of career the artist is aiming for.
Some will be hard and some will not be as hard to come by,
depending on your skill and dedication as well as your location.
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