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Christianity vs Judaism

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rosiekid Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
If Jesus was a Jew, the King of Jews, then why do we have Christianity and not just Judaism?

Can anyone explain the main differences between the two?


P.s. Merry Christmas / Happy Hanukkah :squee: :alienxmas:
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist
Jesus, was not just the King of the Jew. He is The King of King and The Lord of Lords of all Earth...and in Heaven.
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rosiekid Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
:phew: Was not expecting this reaction. All very informative though! I think I get the jist of it. I'm not religious, but am interested in religion as a topic. So thanks guys for all your input!

Happy New Year also!
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mondu Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Judaism does not recognize Christ as the son of God.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
It became "not just Judaism" once non-Jews started to join, which is something that happened quite early on with guys like Paul believing that the salvation offered extended to everyone, not just Jews.  But even without that, you would have the Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah, and those who didn't.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
there is no difference. Jesus was a Juda as Moses was a Christian.

at the core of every religion, when they are at their uncorrupted states, they are the same. we say that since İslam is the only religion that is uncorrupted, every member of a religion with their core teachings is a Muslim.

thats why Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Joseph and all the prophets troughout the history are Muslim.

and before you start bashing me with your civil colonist half militant nationalism, i need to remind you that people are corrupted, but the basic teaching of İslam -the Kuran itself- havent been corrupted. so the pure religion in Kuran is the purest form of religion.

so, İslam = core Christianity = core Juda = religion of Moses = religion of Jesus

you might ask why did Christianity come after Judaism if they were both the same, i will have to tell you that 1- one religion doesnt come after the other, the same religion comes again two times and 2- the reason that the religion had to repeat itself was 2a- the core of the religion was not accessible anymore 2b- people had forgotten the religion
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calincio Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012   General Artist
That is because Jesus installed Christians. The first Christian congregation was formed in 33 A.C. His mother, Mary and all of his disciples converted into a Christian (you can read this in the book of Acts). Why was it necessary for Christians to appear? Well, the main reason is because Gods chosen nation: the Jews disobeyed him many times, even killing Jesus. By insuring Christians God gave all nations the opportunity to serve him. Off course there are more details, but I wish you find this little info hopeful. )
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hte-1-hsaman Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Because the first Christians were Jews. During Jesus' lifetime, Jesus never said that he was not a Jew. He in fact said in The Bible that he did not come to change the law, i.e. the laws of Moses and The Old Testament. But later after his lifetime, the Christians became a separate religion due to differing theological doctrines. Additionally, most Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The jews persecuted Jesus and belived him to be a servant of the Devil because he could banish demons. Christians are those who follow the teachings of jesus aswell as the jewish scriptures. If you read acts, you start to see christianity branch off as Christians start to eat animals that Jews wont and such other things.
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i-stamp Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
There's more difference between Judaism and Christianity than Jesus and dietary laws. Jews don't believe in hell, at least, not as an eternal place of punishment. They don't believe Satan rebelled against God, nor could even want to since angels don't have free will unlike humans. They believe Satan works as God's prosecutor to test the worthiness of mankind.

That's just a couple examples of some pretty significant differences.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
"and other such things"
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Thou shalt have no other god before me. - God
Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me. - Jesus
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
thanks for the quotes brah, i dont know where your going with it though
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Jesus places himself before God. Avoiding the trinity nonsense this is directly opposed to the first commandment.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
what do you mean AVOIDING the trinity nonsense? You have the father, the son and the holy ghost. the Trinity. Jesus does god's will on earth perfectly, He is the perfect example of a human being. When he says that you only get to heaven through him he is saying that you can only find favour in god by following his word.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
The inclusion of the trinity concept was to avoid the conflict of Jesus breaking the first commandment by putting himself before God. The early church found a loophole by merely claiming that Jesus and God are the same being despite it not being mentioned anywhere in the bible.
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calincio Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012   General Artist
Just to clarify, who is greater the Jesus or God?
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
Jesus is a prophet, God is the creator. of course God is greater lol
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
i will go check up on that.
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Christianity is more the cult of Paul than the cult of Jesus.

The Christian savior and the Jewish Messiah are NOT the same thing. There is a laundry list of A through Z Prophecies and Miracles than the Jewish Messiah has to perform. He has to be alive to do these things. Jesus did maybe one of the easy ones, and fails the rest, under Judaism, Jesus is a false prophet.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Please dont call it a cult. You make us christians sound like pagans or something.
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Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Christianity IS a cult. It has a 'leader' (Jesus.)

- the leader is always right. (Jesus is the perfect man without sin)
- sense of powerless, dependency, covert fear, guilt (we are all born in sin.)
- if members exit they are considered rebellious, out of the will of a higher power or the leader (those who 'fall away from God')
- The cult is held up to be the ONLY way to salvation or survival. All others are bad, and need to be avoided. (The only way to God is through Christ)
- An immortal leader that despite being dead the cult members will always claim is alive. (Jesus)
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
But it is a messianic cult of Judaism.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
just call it judaism.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
I'm talking about Christianity. It is a cult branched off of Judaism.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
no its a religion branched off of judaism. Cults are things like paganism or the crap that comes out of america like that scientology one.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
The only difference between a religion and cult is the number of followers. It was a cult until the Romans adopted it as the state religion. The traditional use of the term cult meant "a new religious movement".
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
so its a religion then?
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Christianity is more the cult of Paul than the cult of Jesus.

There's zero evidence for this.
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rosiekid Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Thanks everyone for posting. I watched the Family Guy episode, 'Family Goy' where Lois finds out she's Jewish and cos Peter's a Catholic it all goes on etc. Then Jesus turns up and is like, actually, I'm a jew..

Just got me thinking :shifty:

But yeah, thanks guys! :thanks:
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist
Because, the "Gospel" of the Lord Jesus Christ, is not only for Judaism nor for the Jews, but to all. That's why He has commanded the 12 desciples to share the Gospel into the whole world, then the end will come...
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Actually that's was man's decision, not god's. There was much discussion within the early church over whether all should hear the word or only the Jews.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
That's true, but the debate among the church fathers wasn't over what they wanted to do, but what God wanted them to do in its name, or what Jesus would have done.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
That people had different ideas about what god wanted them to do does rather prove that those ideas originated with people and not god.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
That isn't necessarily the case. God never wrote any of the books in the Bible personally, there isn't even a book written by Jesus. According to the New Testament, the ideas came from people who had divine inspiration from the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't agree with the conclusion, there's at least some logic behind it.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
That sounds very suspicious. And dangerous. You'd be a fool to believe it, and a fool not to take full advantage of the fools who do.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Under normal circumstances you'd be right, but it's not as suspicious when you realize a lot of these people chose to be executed rather than deny what they were saying.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
It doesn't seem so extraordinary that the fooled and deluded would march to their deaths as a result of their foolishness and delusions.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Christianity was the original religion of the Hebrew people, then at some point before Jesus was born, some of the Hebrews lapsed back into demonic Ba'al worship and became the "Synagogue of Satan". Then when Jesus started preaching they rejected his teachings, and executed him as a false Messiah. This corrupted parody of Christianity would later come to be known as Judaism, and try to convince the Hebrew people that it was their real traditional religion. One of the ideas taught by Judaism, and forcibly injected into Christianity is that the Hebrews are the chosen people of God, and somehow "holier" than other people, which of course is foolish and racist. The true Universal (catholic) faith teaches that anyone who follows it becomes one of God's Chosen be they European, Semitic, African, or any race.

In fairness, I know many of the early church fathers were Semitic, so I have nothing against them as a race, just the ones who think they're better than all us Gentiles. Also, I know not everyone who follows the Jewish religion is a Satanist. In fact, it's possible that many are well intentioned and sincere in their faith, and one or two groups may even be disciples of the inner layer (possibly the Haredi and Hasidic movements?).
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Not even the traditional ancient Christian churches teach this. Where did you get such a collection of nonsense?
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
A number of Bible verses including, but not neccessarily limited to John 8:42-44, Revelations 2:9, 3:9, and possibly Phillipians 3:18, depending on how it's interpreted. It's called Supersessionism, which basically means that the Jews lost their status as God's chosen by rejecting the Messiah, and now worship a different god than Christians. The Jews of the first century were fierce enemies of Christianity, persecuting the early church even before the Roman empire. The religion was, and to a lesser degree still is an enemy of Yahweh's followers. It's the same battle between El/Yam and Ba'al (the Devil) all over again.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
And Ba'al is the devil? Nope, sorry.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Ok, well if it isn't the Devil, it's some other kind of demon disguising itself as a god. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea to worship it.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Both the Catholics and Orthodox are supersessionist without this ridiculous hoo-hah about the Jews worshiping Baal.
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SpacelanderRyo Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Student General Artist
That sounds like conspiracy theory BS since it has no historical basis.

You can become Jewish. Converts are titled Sons of Abraham and Daughters of Sarah. Is it a ridiculously intense process that may end up causing the convert alienation and discrimination? Yes. Is being one of the "chosen people" based on race? No, never mind the fact that most Jews I've seen are white. Also look up the Noahide Laws.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Jews really aren't white people though. They're Semites, meaning that they're more closely related to Arabs than white Europeans. The Jewish people who look "white" are probably the result of race mixing. Arabs have fairly light skin to begin with, so it can be hard to tell the difference between a white/semite and a regular white person.

As for the Noahide laws, the first one prohibiting idolatry is often used to attack the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Anyone who rejects the existence of multiple divine aspects (such as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit *Mother*) is obviously worshipping something other than the God of the Bible.

In any case, it's possible that certain Jewish Rabbis, entire organizations even, are secretly worshipping the Devil and keeping it hidden from their followers.

In order to understand a lot of what I'm saying here, you first have to understand the Bible. To be more specific, you would have to understand the parts that describe Israel's history, and consider the logical implications of the Gospels being true, even if you don't believe in them.
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Zatarian Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
There it's absolutely no basis for the trinity in the old testament. And so, God is one and only one, the trinity is a ridiculous excuse for christianity claiming to be a true monotheistic religion and in judaism is considered to be idolatry. The Devil of christianity does not exist in judaism and jesus was the leader of a small cult of essenes, or at least one of the jesus'. Most of the essene groups were frowned upon by the Jewish leaders, because their lifestyles disregarded laws of the torah. For instance, some groups swore an oath of celibacy, which is prohibited, the torah commands us to get married and have children.

To make a statement that jewish rabbis secretly worship a devil that they don't believe exists in the first place is ridiculous.
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SpacelanderRyo Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Student General Artist
I've seen Semitic Jewish people, and I've seen non-Semitic Jewish people.

By rejects, do you mean accepts? And yes, the trinity is idolatry. I'm sure someone will come in and respond to me with some counterargument like the "God is one person with three methods of working!" thing that is a little irrational.

Yes, it is. There many are Christian priests who are secretly atheists and are keeping it hidden from their followers. But it's a lot less likely considering that there is no "the Devil" in Judaism, only Satan, the adversary of [i]man[/i] and not God. God has no enemies.

It is impossible to understand the logical implications of the Gospels being true. They contradict each other, and they're not metaphors like Genesis 1 and 2.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Don't be too quick to criticize the Gospels' accuracy. The Gospel of Mark has 76% of its content in common with both the Gospels of Luke and Matthew. Granted, that isn't 100%, but it's still pretty good. A lot of the inconsistencies in the Gospels can be attributed to the different perspectives and intentions of its authors. I never claimed they were 100% accurate, but I would say that the central elements are.
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staple-salad Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Jews don't believe Jesus was Christ.

Just like how Joseph Smith created Mormons by claiming to be sent from God, but not every Christian is Mormon.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Jews are not preachey assholes.
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