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UltraRaccoon Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Someone of a faith usually have a reason as to why they believe what they believe. I want to know what lead you to that point. I'm not here to state whether you are wrong or not. I just think its cool to hear what moves people's lives.

For example mine is... I tried a couple of different religions, but none seemed to fit MY lifestyle; I turned Atheist. Later I grew into severe depression (hated myself). I married a Baptist girl and she radiated with love and compassion for me. I was too busy sulking in my depression to realize this love she had.

The clincher was this...I tried to kill myself when my depression got the best of me. When my wife wasn't home, I put a loaded gun to my head. It took a lot of time a guts, but before I could pull the trigger, something or someone said "I love you more than this." I freaked out and started to put the gun away. And that's when the gun went "click." It should have went off, but the bullet was a dud. Don't ask me what made me, but I fell on my knees in tears and cried a loud. When my wife came home, I told her what happened. (after we both blubbered) She said it was God.

It took me a year to decided when I could fully commit to God. That's when I gave over every bit of MY life to Jesus Christ. So now I'm a non-denominational Christian...not a very good one, but I'm still learning.
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CDRaccoon Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012
I Am an Atheist.

Atheism is not a belief, but the lack of belief. However I have taken that extra step, and actually believe that there are no gods.

I used to be a Lutheren Christian, and actually believed most of the stuff.
The process of loosing my faith (in religion) came gradually, but mostly came from highschool where I had Biology and Biochemistry which showed me the true nature of life on earth. I was taught, and saw with my own eyes how evolution would change life right infront of me.
I never believed in a young earth, so with that last straw removed, my faith in religion drowned completely.
Some years later I gained "faith" (the active belief that there infact are no gods) again.
While I was training in the army, I spend a night on guard duty in a foxhole.
The sky was exceptionally clear (and cold!), there was no moon so the darkness was almost complete.
I have never seen as many stars as I saw that night, and while I was looking at them I suddenly realized that I was looking deep, deep into the abyss of space. As the saying goes, "ehrn you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you.", and it did. I thought of the unfathomable distances out there, and I felt so small and insignificant. It suddenly dawned on me that, somthing as small and insignificant as me, infact the entire human race could not be the center of creation, and there not only "properly" was no gods, but there WERE NO GODS.
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UltraRaccoon Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
interesting usually looking into space does the complete opposite for me.
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Penguinton Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I'm a Christian because of events in my life as well. It's not as powerful as your testimony however and since I'm shy I'll refrain from expounding on the details. But hey another non-denominational Christian! *high five*

It's really cool to hear other peoples testimonies though and learning why others believe what they do.
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UltraRaccoon Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I personally think knowing one's background is good to hear; helps to witness better.
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student General Artist
I was raised Christian. It never really clicked with me but I was too scared to doubt it because of the fear of hell. It also tainted my education, causing me to disregard evolution, the big bang, and the notion of an earth older than 10000 years.

Once I got older and I started doing more research, it became harder and harder to believe there was a god. Once I totally removed it from the equation, the world made so much more sense, and I am a much happier person now
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UltraRaccoon Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's good to settle in ones belief.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I think you're better off seeking help for your mental health. Hallucinations are serious, and given your suicide attempt, I can only recommend you seek help immediately before it happens again.

Other than that, I was born. Like all babies, I had no concept of religion. I was not indoctrinated and I was encouraged to learn and make up my own mind. So I did. I've remained an atheist since the day I was born and I see the problems religion, if it doesn't cause, worsens. In particular, the area of mental health. Schizophrenia in particular; it's wicked that people would treat their hallucinations as 'demons' or 'gifts from god'. These people need help, not god.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Not born atheist... Athiesm is the belief in no God or lack of it, and if you were to say the latter you would have to tackle if a baby is born with a belief in God.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Babies can barely comprehend anything. So they lack belief in god, the same way they lack belief in almost everything around them. They're not yet developed enough.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Again, your not giving proof but your own opinion. If God was real,this wouldn`t be so, if he was not real this would be true. Then you have to have disprove God as well as provide proof of a baby born with a lack of belief.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
The onus is on you to first prove a god, and then actually prove that babies are capable of such high-level thought.

Because they aren't. To say otherwise is to say that a newborn has high-functioning cognitive capacity that many adults don't even possess. Yours is a ridiculous position.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Again I already said I couldn`t and niether can you untill God is proven/disproven. The point is not to win the debate, even if you win you still cannot prove the claim.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Relax, you don't need to say anymore. It's been amply demonstrated that you care not for the truth or reality.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I think it's almost self-evidently true. If babies are born believing in God then it's presumably from some sure, objective knowledge acquired prior to birth, or perhaps instilled in them while being formed within the womb. You would therefore expect all religions to be similar, with agreement on at least a few general principles derived from this knowledge: the nature of God, details of the afterlife, etc.

Yet, it seems that children acquire the religion by which they're surrounded as they grow up, as it is deliberately taught them by their parents or their larger society. An American of European descent is usually Christian; an Arab Muslim; a Siberian shamanist; a Japanese Shinto and/or Buddhist; an Indian Hindu; etc. All these disagree strongly on many fundamentals, including whether a supreme, transcendent God even exists.

It's sanest to conclude that babies are born knowing nothing about God, and that all religion is learned behavior.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
thats your opinion and whatever floats your boat
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
No, that's fact. Children have whatever beliefs they were raised with. There's not a mote of real evidence that they have any pre-existing knowledge of God. If it's otherwise, show it.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I can`t you can`t either unless you disprove God and spirit
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
thats your opinion and whatever floats your boat
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
"Then you have to have disprove God as well as provide proof of a baby born with a lack of belief."

And even if we fail to disprove the existence of a God, that doesn't mean he's real. One would still have to prove that he exists.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Didn`t say that, and if I were to fail on proving God that wouldn`t mean he Doesn`t exist. Glad you see your claim as your own opinion.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
The one making the claim holds the burden of proof. If you say something exist you have to present it to be falsified otherwise there is no reason to believe the claim is true.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Never said God existed and they made the claim of babies being born athiest, epic fail troll.
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
If we fail to prove that one exists, and also fail to prove that one doesn't exist, then a baby being born with belief or not is just a guess, isn't it?

Congratulations! This was pointless!
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Actually I just put down two people who thought that you were born athiest. Forgetting that it was there own opinion as well as mine. See I never said that one was born atheist or thiest I simply disclaimed them both as opinionated
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
A baby is born not being aware of even the concept of a god. They're not aware of the idea until they start picking up on it in later years.

A baby lacks a belief in a god. Therefore, it is born atheist.
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Kenny-White-Lion Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
A baby is not born Atheist LOL A baby is born uneducated. Lol
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
Atheism = lack of a belief in a deity.
Being uneducated in the concept of a god = lack of belief in a deity.

Well, look at that.
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Kenny-White-Lion Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Dosen't make a baby a Atheist? You know what, to prove you wrong I am going to go ask a baby right now if they are Atheist. If anything their daily faith practices consist of Diaper Changes, Breast feeding, And Sleep. Please They don't believe in God or A Lack, they believe in Consistency, Sleep, Food, and nurturing lol. Don't believe me, give that baby something other than those three and watch it get chucked across the room, no matter what doctrine it is lol.
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
You're a silly one, aren't you?
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reesewhyte Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012   Digital Artist
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
How can you say so, how can they not be aware of a God, if there weren`t a God in your opinion then yes this would be true, but you don`t know whether God exist or not. I cannot either since i also do not know, but you do not know either.
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
"how can they not be aware of a God"

Because the idea hasn't been brought up to them. I'll help support this with the following: other religions with different gods exist. We're not aware of any of the other concepts until they're brought up to us.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
That`s your opinion. Missing the fact that if God was real, your still thinking on if He wasn`t.
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist
I'm going to retackle this point:

other religions with different gods exist.

This isn't an opinion. This is an undeniable fact. Other religions exist. If one god exists, and babies were born believing in that God, would they not then not all believe in the same god?
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
again I`m not saying its true, never did. Didn`t we just go over such a meaningless claims. If you cannot prove this then don`t claim it. How do you know if everyone sees God in differ forms and mankind simply adds differ rules.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
So billions of people are condemned to hell for having been born in the wrong part of the world or family and were brought up to believe in Allah.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Your still trolling aren`t you, I never made the claim of either being default postions, atheism and theism. Your forgeting that aren`t you lol. Never made that claim
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
If God was real and people were aware of it, explain why churches and religious leaders are needed to inform people about God? Explain why people all round the world had never heard of your God despite suppodely knowing all along? You are the one that has explaining to do. My personal experience is I never thought of God until I was told and never truely understood the concept till a lot later, after which I became an Atheist.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I never said my God, never said that babies were born theist and the statement still stands, you cannot prove whether or not someone is born that way or not.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
When I couldn't take it anymore, I screamed out loud for God, in obedience to whose strictures and commandments I had cut off any chance I might have had at happiness in this life -- since my natural inclinations were not acceptable -- to give me something, anything, no matter how slight or incidental or attenuated as long as it was undeniable, that would tell me he was there. That I hadn't done all this, given up so much of my time and resources and energy and life for nothing. That my prayers weren't just echoing around inside my head or sounding out into an empty sky. There was no reply.
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TheSmall-Stuff Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
I'm atheist, always have been. I am young now, still a teenager, but even though I come from a Christian (episcopal, specifically) home I was always skeptical. It simply never made sense, I never believed it. I mean, talking snakes and magic apples? A mind reading entity in the sky with power over everything everywhere? I've always been an avid reader and the fact that it all comes from this single book was also confusing. What makes the Bible any more 'true' than Harry Potter? It must have had an author; it couldn't have been written by 'God'. I just noticed now it says 'someone of faith' having reason to believe what they believe... but this is a sort of belief. That the universe acts under the laws of physics as defined by how things are. It's sort of communistic, not in the one-guy-in-charge way, but in the original sense of "Everyone does what theyre supposed to to keep everything together and working. No one is in charge, everything simply runs and works for the sake of running and working and, you know, not imploding or anything." since an atom or two can't really just decide to go unemployed, or have to take a sick day. and it works because atoms are inanimate and don't suffer from stuff like natural power-hungry greed and money and stuff that obviously makes it not work as a government. Then there's also the sheer, possibly ever-expanding size of the universe, that would be hard to control by one entity. The belief in God was understandable when the comprehensible universe was only the size of Earth, or half of it, or the small village a person grew up in and lived their whole life in; but now that we know, to an extent, how incredibly vast it is... I could not believe one Thing could have some power over all of it. And honestly, if it did, I don't see how it could 'care' about an individual coincidence of matter like a human.
In school earlier this year, we had a worksheet that asked us to describe the Role of Religion. My answer was that it is how a person chooses to cope with the universe. Not like a crutch, more like a pair of shoes. Workboots, sandals, sneakers, heels, whatever. And the ground is the universe.
But maybe it's a phase. Maybe I'll understand when I'm older. Maybe by then they'll have proof.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
My Testimony; Jesus Christ self-sacrifice reflected how my race endured and sacrificed for me, and God brought them through it all.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
You do realize that the same religion is why slavery was an acceptable practice and that slaves were often considered subhumans by the Christian slave masters?
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You do realize that this is completely wrong?
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

How so?
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Nothing there condones, let alone permits, the treatment of other races as subhuman. The peoples it distinguishes were racially identical; it only establishes a degree of tribal closeness within which one may NOT take permanent slaves. Slavery was a normal part of pre-industrial society all the way to the end of feudalism, it being not too much of a stretch to regard serfs bound to an estate as slaves of a sort. It would have been starkly anomalous for any ancient text to absolutely prohibit it. To ascribe such a universal institution to Christianity alone is unrealistic, and Abolition was a fundamentally Christian movement.

Only American slavery in the "land of the free" made slavery a racial issue.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
Of course I understand that and it only makes sense in the absence of a "moral all loving" god.

At the same time the slave owners were using the very same passages I posted in defense of slavery.

Point being that no where in the bible is slavery considered immoral.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm talking socioeconomic realities, not theology. You can justify anything you want from the Bible, but that's different from one religion or another actually perpetuating something.

I'm not convinced that slavery IS inherently immoral; or if so, not any more inherently immoral than a number of other conditions. It was, as I said, a normal feature of societies as far back as we have written records describing any kind of economy at all. Different implementations of it may be more or less immoral than others. The American version was certainly immoral. The Roman version was rather less so, especially compared to the conditions of the time.
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Ink-Robertson Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
trolololololololo Racial slavery is different from Biblical slavery. Slaves in the Bible were treated more like family workers, set free after 6 years, Given money to live a good life afterwards, could decide to continue to work for that family, free from work on jubilee, and had laws that protected them. Racial slavery is different. Slaves were slaves for life, mistreated and beat to death. It also included the mistreatment of the race as a WHOLE not just slaves.. please, dude did you really think me, as a Christian Black american, wouldn't learn on these things... you quote all the time but you don't learn anything...
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Saeter Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You counter argument fails.
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