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Sidhartha and Life of Pi

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IRAtheIV Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
So life of Pi is just coming out. Did you read it or Sidhartha? Did it affect your religious views? Did you read any other books that did? How? I wanna know it all?
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JericaWinters Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Life of Pi started as a book right? I wouldn't mind reading it.
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IRAtheIV Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012   Traditional Artist
yup ;)
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've read Siddharta and yes, in a way it changed my views. I don't know if calling it "religious" views, or just philosophical, however. Another book by Hermann Hesse that had an impact on me was Demian.
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opiumrooster Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
i read life of pi and didn't see the movie and it didn't affect my religious views cause i don't get my religious views from a book.
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MidNightMagnificent Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've watched the movie, but not read the book.

Anyway, to me, the message that I got out of it was mostly about the importance of stories. Because that is what both versions of the events that Pi told the author are. STORIES. Stories are our ways of fantasy/escape to deal with terrible events that happen in our lives.

Which is why it would make sense that the Bible is the greatest selling storybook of all time. Because the earliest(and greatest) stories of mankind, the cavemen paintings in caves are a little too bulky to be sold in your local bookstore.

Anyway, to me, it is about the power of stories and their "magical" ability to help us cope with life.

However, I will admit that I think I might have been a little biased towards to the movie to start out with because I know Ang Lee is a great director, but I just couldn't really "get" a lot of his earlier arty movies(in part becasue he made mostly Madarin films at the start of his career and despite being a Chinese myself, my Mandarin is terrible. I know there's such a thing as subtitles, but something always gets lost in translation.). Brokeback Moutain was a nice one from him, which I throughly enjoyed, and NOT just because of the gay sex. Face it, if that's ALL I was after, I could just surf porn.
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mci021 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Haven't read Sidhartha or seen the movie of The Life of Pi, but I did read the book when it came out and loved it. However, I didn't really see it as a religious book. Pi is sort of a non-denominational religious person, but I don't believe his religion was really what he was talking about there. Hopefully not to spoil anything for those who haven't read it or seen the movie, but The Life of Pi struck me as more of an exploration of personality and a "man vs. himself" narrative than a story that posed religious questions. Granted, it's been a couple years since I read it, so I'm going on memory here, but it seemed more like Pi was questioning himself than his beliefs.
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kaikaku Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I also felt like there was a certain irony to the book's story basically being dependent upon the reader's belief in what really happened--like the tentative beliefs of an agnostic--and that's what makes it unique. Faith can be great, but maybe it doesn't produce the best stories all the time. Sometimes uncertainty does.
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kaikaku Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've read Life of Pi, but not Siddhartha (yet). Siddhartha just doesn't seem like something you read casually on the train, which is where I do most of my reading. ^^;

Anyway... I liked Life of Pi, insofar as it was an interesting piece of metafiction. However, if read as a literal critique of agnosticism it seems like a poor argument, since individual agnostics have their own narratives about life and its weightier issues, and the idea that their stories aren't as good as religious narratives is a matter of opinion. I was also disappointed that in spite of the main character being Hindu (and Christian, and Muslim) that Hinduism really didn't get discussed the way the other religions did. Did Life of Pi change the way I thought about religion? No, probably not. If anything it was sort of an affirmation of the idea that we live by stories, and they in turn both form and reflect our experiences. I liked the book, but felt like the author handled the themes of religion & faith in it in a way that was a bit too heavy-handed. I wanted to feel like the rants about religion were Pi's rants, not Yann Martel's.
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Kimihro Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It didn't affect my religious views at all. :P

I was confused for the whole book until my Lit class helped me explain it.

Brave New World did, however. It affected me in many ways, not just spiritually.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
What does Life of Pi and Siddhartha by Herman Hesse have to do with each other?
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wasn't going to see it, because I know it's just more boring, heartwarming Oscar-bait. Nevertheless, I watched the review of it over on the Escapist [link]. That's why I like Bob Chipman; he watches terrible movies so I don't have to. Now I know it is contemptible, spreading a destructive idea. They story alleges that it will "make you believe in God," which is a bad enough start, but the "reason" is worse. Apparently we should all believe in God because that just makes for a nicer story. Disgusting. Reality is not affected by our emotional perception of it, and to intentionally distort reality to make it look nicer leaves you ill-prepared to deal with its genuine, ugly nature.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student Writer
I didn't get that from the book at all (though that might be one facet of it, and maybe it comes through more clearly in the movie). It seemed as though, rather than favouring the nice story over reality, the book made them more or less interchangeable: it didn't really matter which you picked. It seemed more like a storytelling gimmick than any sort of religious message. As you say, whether or not you believe in God has no effect whatsoever on whether or not there is one.
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theThirdCartel Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Thanks for the heads-up. I was on the fence about reading the book. Now I know not to bother.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, you're quite welcome. It's only fair you know what you're getting yourself into, and if it contains an idea like that, it's best we all stay away from it.
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neonbird1 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Well, Life of Pi is a REALLY GOOD movie, I learned to appreciate all the religions and learn more about them, (just in case there came a day I needed help) and there has been, I'm a new deviant and I have NO veiwers so i'm praying!
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willwriteforhearts Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student Writer
Just stumbled on this but by the way, if you want watchers, submitting your work to groups is a really good idea :)
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neonbird1 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
O.K Thnx but I'm having a hard time finding topics to, write or draw about
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Professional General Artist
I read Siddhartha when I was 18 and liked it at the time. Although being older now and better read on Buddhism, I am not sure if I would like it as much. It's good for what it is, but there are questions as to whether it's a really accurate portrayal of Buddhism, or more influenced by Hesse's Lutheran background and interpretation of Buddhism. The understanding in Europe at the time was a bit different, and the translations of scripture they were working from then had problems. At least, according to my vague understanding of this stuff. I'd need to read it again to really specify the issues. I've been meaning to read more Hesse for a while.
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IRAtheIV Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
Yes! Ive been discussing the topic of Siddhartha with an english teacher and he thought the character was too flat and that it was stuck somewhere between religous book and novel
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Professional General Artist
That's a different issue than the one I'm pointing to, more regarding the book as a novel. I assume what your teacher means when he says it is a religious book is that it's primary purpose is polemic. I disagree that it is, as I think that Hesse was trying to use the basic background narrative of the Buddha as a basis for a story that would say something universal about human growth and search for meaning. I wouldn't say the character is flat, as he is dynamic and undergoes change, which relates to the core theme of the book. Your teacher's issue might have more to do with the simple style of the book, which I saw as a conscious choice on Hesse's part to give it the universal-seeming resonance of a folk tale or myth. I don't think this makes it a polemic or attempt at some kind of scripture.

Mind you, this is going off a 15-year-old memory and I might be wrong on certain details. But that's my understanding of the book when I read it.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student General Artist
Life of pi is already out where I live. Well may made me appreciate religion more, but nothing much more. Nope, I haven't read about him.
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IRAtheIV Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
Im sorry then, I dont know about the other countries :)
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