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Tiger's Rant: About Gay/homo and all that sex stuff

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TigerAgam Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
Aloha!

I usually don't post in Forums but since I have been doing quite some thinking I decided to share my two cents. Take it for what it is worth. I am also curious to see how people will respond.

A few things to note:
1-This is my own opinion. It will differ from yours.
2-I don't answer to flamers
3-This is a rant so I jump all over the place sometimes
4-This is not a post only on homosexuality but on sexuality in general
5-This is a very long post.

So as you may have guessed, I have been thinking about the whole Gay/homosexual scene and the heavy weight the US culture (were I live) has given to sexuality. As you may be aware (or not) there is an ongoing battle in the US wether to approve homosexual lifestyles as part of a healthy and acceptable lifestyle of american society (mainly by approving gay marriage).

When it comes to Homosexuality in general, it is too often boiled down to black and white. You're either for or against, you either love it or hate it. I think this is the wrong approach and unfortunetly the default approach we human beings always take towards any type of debate.

On a personal level, here is what I have to say about the subject:

I, as my own person with my own brain, do not agree with a homosexual lifestyle. That said, I am not homophobic. Homophobia is defined as "fear of homosexuals". Culturally it is also used as "hatred for homosxuals" which sometimes leads to violence. I you tell me you are homosexual, I will not flee from you, I will not insult you and I will not stab you to death. You exist wether I like it or not and I got over it and I move on with life. I will treat you with respect and love because you are first of all a human being. And that is what is most important. I like chocolate, you don't. So what?

This is what I probably would respond if you came out of the blue and told me you were gay: "Um... I have a hard time understanding how the knowledge of your preference to having sex with people of the same gender was vital to our friendship. I would actually label that the "Too much information" column. Do you see me telling people I want to have sex with a man?"

Granted it is assumed by society that as a woman I would share my sexual experiences with a man. However let me expand on my comment.

You are not defined by your sexuality! If you think that your preference in what gender you want to share your bed with is the most important defining factor of your life then you are doing it wrong (to put it in a nutshell). Sex is just a physical part of your body that happens to be there for two reasons:

-Practical reason: so that the human race doesn't go exctinct from the planet (babies!)
-Other reason: a type of pleasure (because really there is a limited amount of things you can do with sex)

Who you are is not defined by your genitals or who you sleep with. I fact sex is optional (no shame in being a virgin. Welcome to the club!) So who are you? That is a tough question to answer. Here's a question that can help: what do you own?

Here's an example: I am an adult who still has a childish heart because I want to see the good in this world. That is probably why I am an artist and why I like cartoons. I own my art and my art is cartoony and childish, inocent and fun and I dream like a little kid. I am a little person looking at the world in wonder and wishes that the boogie man would go away (don't you love metaphors?).

See? The fact that I have a vagina does not determine who I am. Sure it affected how my parents raised me (barbies instead of legos... I still snatched my brother's legos) but I don't become so obsesed with it that I have an identity crisis.

To get back on track what I am trying to say is that in life you don't really know who you are until you're old and gray (sometimes not even fully then either). When you are a kid you are growing up into something. You don't realize that sexuality is a part of you until puberty (seriously do you see 6 year olds asking themselves if they are gay or not). I mean I didn't realize it until 12 (and even then I didn't want to worry about it. Why would I want to at that age? I had more important stuff to do like pestering my brother and climbing trees).

And this comes to my next point. Yes we should teach kids to share and love others but do we need to teach them about the normalicy of having two women or two men sharing a bed? No. First of all because they haven't discovered that sex is part of them, and second of all because you are stepping onto the parents' ground: moral education.

Homosexual marriage is a moral and civil issue, general homosexuality is a moral issue (this next paragraph is a reaction to children's literature and programs geared towards teaching gay lifestyles). The tradition has been to let the parents teach their kids what is morally right and morally wrong (wether they do a good job at it or not is a whole other story). If you are a parent and you are forced to let someone else teach your kids something that is morally right when you believe it is morally wromg would that make you a happy camper? Probably not. I am not saying it's okay for parents to tell their kids to hate people, what I am saying is that it is okay for parents to teach their kids about different viewpoints and why they believe a certain way (basically teaching their kids not to be sheep but critical thinkers).

So now that I have gone around the subject a good bit I am going to back track a little. I will expand on why I do not agree with homosexual lifestyles (remember I don't hate them I just wouldn't live like that or encourage anyone else to but I still treat people like people).

What does it tell me when you are gay. Well as a (thought to be witty) poster put it "Gender isn't here (pointing to genitals), it's here (pointing to brain)". What that tells me is that there is a confusion somewhere between your brain and your physical appearance that make it so the two don't match properly. If your brain is telling you that you are a male but your body is clearly female to me that signals a problem. I would like to find out why ("born this way" doesn't cut it. Scientist have tried to see if it is genetic and nothing so far. Besides it's a stupid argument because it could be used for anything. "Why did you cut your sister's hair" "O but I was born this way"). So in a sense I do not find it to be a natural thing. And for the animal argument (that animals are gay too): some animals have the ability to switch sexes and others get confused (a friend of mine explained to me, after witnessing a stalion trying to hump another stalion, that if a male horse was neutered to early they would mistakenly identify each other for females...). And animals never have commited relationships (do you see mr and mrs cheetah walking down the isle covered in rose petals while pachebel's canon is played on the organ? Didn't think so...) and they don't do it for fun, they do it for survival.

Now don't get me wrong, homosexual relationships have been around for a long time (about as long as people figured out they could have sex). It has just never been forced into a pillar of society as it is today. Marriage is a pillar of american society. It has always been a crumbling pillar because it was first of all a religious institution. The only thing that matters to the government wether you are married or not is taxes (so you are better off not being officially married). Regarding religion, it has to do with the purpose of marriage. In our modern era we live in the illusion that "love" is a happy with pink roses and all kinds of wonderful things. The worst part is that love is equated with sex. Wake up! Love isn't about sex. In fact sex is the least important thing when it comes to love. True love happens when you've gone through the dirt of life with someone. Love takes commitment and hard work. It doesn't just happen. If all you are looking for in marriage or a relationship is a sexual experience then do it the fast way and be a prostitute (or get drunk and go to a random party where there are other drunk people). Love and marriage are not for sex, they are for people who truly care about each other and who share an intimate bond (the rest is just hormones).

Now I'm getting a little off track but I really wanted to share that. The problem with accepting homosexual marriage as marriage is that too many people's moral compasses are getting and already confused. What I mean by that is that once we allow homosexual marriage to be recognized, what will stop anyone from marrying anyone or anything else? Granted marriage is already pretty wacky with people marrying cardboard cut outs of celebrities or their reflections (which is why I think marriage should just be redefined anyway... I mean why should mormons be allowed to have x number of wives? isn't that illegal?). Also marriage has been at the center of the family (if the government is raising your kids, you're doing it wrong). There's always been a mom and a dad that have had two different functions in a child's life. So what happends when a child has two moms or two dads. Families are already messed up with divorce and pregnancies out of wedlock and whatnot. So how is this going to help? How will it shape society in the future? The research is way too slim to answer that unfortunately.

There is still a lot about the human psychy that we don't know and I think that we are rushing into this to quick without having a resonable discussion (another reason I say this is because in the latest TIME issue there was an article about mental disorders. Sexual disorders are no longer considered a mental disorder. Anyone else see a big wooping problem coming our way?). In addition I don't think we are helping ourselves by letting sex be the main theme in almost all of our media (Do you really need to listen to a naked female singer sing about having sex with her boyfriend? Here's the Batman soundtrack for some variety).

WARNING: the next paragraph involve a discusion about christiannity. You can skip this part if you want.

Finally, and there is good reason I have left this for the end, I do not believe it is God's design. What God? Well I believe in an infinite being that created humankind. Humankind thought it was better than God and that's how we messed things up. God created male and female to keep each other company and eventually populate the earth (you'll notice the first reason it is mentionned in Genesis that God gave Adam Eve was because Adam was lonely). When it comes to my own studies I have not found yet evidence of God's stamp of approval on gay relationships. If He did I think it would be a lot more evident than all the reading into scriptures some people have done (I'm sorry but Jonathan and David are not gay. I mean have you ever had to save your best friend's life? How would of you reacted when you heard your best friend had been killed? David and Batsheba anyone?). I believe that sin has twisted God's purpose of sexuality.

-----End of religious part

Well I'm pretty much coming to the end of my rant. Sure I have a little more thinking to do but I'd like to get some feedback.

When it comes to my own love life I had a decision to make. Yup I've had homosexual dsires towards some other women but I decided I didn't want to have relationships with them that way. It was much more fun to be friends and run around playing freeze tag. In fact I decided that I wanted to be single (and virgin) because I can do a lot more and have a lot more control over my decisions. Life has so much more to offer. The only way my situation would change is if an awesome man crossed my path. I'm already a girl, why would I want to live with another of me?

Well I'll leave the discussion up to the internet now that I've thrown my two cents out there. Not that I expect everyone to be civilized (this is the internet after all) but I'm sure there will be people with an interesting opinion.
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aunjuli Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Locked by OP's request.
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Airthir Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012  Student Photographer
Your two cents would have a lot more weight if you looked into what you were talking about before you posted your opinions.

No one is defined by their sexuality. No one is claiming to be defined by their sexuality. The homosexual community merely wants their basic, supposedly unalienable human rights, which the heterosexual majority has denied for a very long time.

Sexuality is not a "lifestyle." Not in the sense you use it. It's not a choice. It's as sexual identity, the same as a heterosexual orientation is. Claiming you "disagree with it" is the same as saying you "disagree with the African American lifestyle" because you don't like urban culture or rap.

Transgender =/= homosexuality. A homosexual man does not feel like a woman, he feels like a man who is sexually and romantically orientated towards men. A transgender man isn't homosexual-- he's attracted to the opposite sex, just happens to have the "wrong" biological sex in his own body. (Though some transgender people are homosexual).

Many animals do mate for life. Actually. And the species that homosexuality has been most documented in are not hermaphrodites. We're talking over 1,500 species, including primates, birds, dolphins, bison, and elephants.

Marriage is not about taxes. Aside from emotional desires, marriage makes insurance, hospital visitation rights, sharing finances, signing leases and taking out bank accounts and credit cards, and almost everything legal a lot easier, if not simply possible.

Funny, I just read an article about how the stagnant view of the nuclear family and its gender roles leads to homophobia and heterosexism. Guess that was just proved right. So what if a family has two moms or two dads? Honestly, so what? Please explain how a gay couple will reshape our future, because I'm having a hard time figuring that bit out.

And can you also tell me how you know so much about God? Because I'm pretty sure God works in mysterious ways, and just because you "haven't yet found evidence of God's stamp of approval on gay relationships..." Seriously? I haven't found God's stamp of approval on you, either.
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alzebetha Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012
I expected moar porn examples.

p.s. you're an idiot for getting the god created manking/mankind created god the wrong way around.
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macker33 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
If gays learned to keep their mouths shut they wouldnt have half the problems they perceive themselves to have,
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Didj Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012
That's a brilliant idea. Only instead of gays, Christians should learn to keep their mouths shut. That way the rest of us don't have to worry about doing things that Chirstians don't like.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
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NessaCity Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And if you kept your mouth shut, you wouldn't have half the flames coming towards you.
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HaanPere Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012   Digital Artist
...Define "homosexual lifestyle".
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After--Life Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In Islam,

We don't think being a homosexual is wrong, but committing the acts of homosexuality is what is sinful.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
i find christians who treat gays differently to be quite distasteful. our lord jesus christ taught about love and treating others as you would treat yourself, that includes all men and women of all walks of life. walk with christ brah.
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TigerAgam Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
I don't treat gays differently I don't agree with the lifestyle is all. No human being should be made fun of, beating, or murdered or whatever you consider "treated differently". In the end we are all sinners.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
true
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JeweledScarab Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
So what's the point of making a thread if your never going to reply to anyone?
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Vanhir Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Easy, reply to the people who agree or are indifferent.
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TigerAgam Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
A-This is throw up from a very frustrating night (thread will be locked soon). I was kind of angry and was wondering if anyone else felt my frustration (one person did). I really thought "two cents", "rant" and "long post" would of tipped people off...

B-Do you think I will be changing anyone's opinion with this kind of post? Nope. I'm tired of hearing third hand information so I'm doing some serious research on the subject (I'm hoping to post an educated rant sometime within the next month so that people realize I'm not a total jerk just because I disagree with something).

C-Granted, now that I've calmed down, this probably should of never been posted in the first place.
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Angry about gay couples wanting something that doesn't affect you or anyone else except for them?
Sounds reasonable.
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JeweledScarab Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
The point of a forum thread is to provoke discussion, so if you don't intend on discussing there's little to no point, for future reference.

And on a side note, the girl that agreedx with you isn't exactly the brightest crayon in the box, so her agreeing with you is about as victorious as getting a sea sponge to agree with you.
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TigerAgam Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Discussion doesn't only involve me. Anyway the post probably belongs in the "complain section" by now. Thinking about it I'm surprised it's still not locked. As for the sea sponge, who says it's a victory? I surely don't. I was just making the observation that someone "agreed" with my frustration. I pretty much predicted everyone's else's post and understand why they replied that way (after I got all of that throw up of a post off my chest).

Point noted, let's grow up and move on with life.
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Kell0x Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Student General Artist
Don't start a debate or thread and not even bother to reply civil and mature with people that don't agree with you. If you wrote this under frustration then that implies you know your view might not be at all true, its based on frustration that blind logic and reasoning.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
... I think that the complaints section would have been rather worse.
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TigerAgam Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
I'll keep that in mind. I've never actually been in that part of the forum... probably a good thing.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well if things had really gone south a few may have migrated to your page, but over such a subject I doubt it. They would have just mostly said the same stuff here a lot more... harshly, or just trolled you.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
... If he could get a sea sponge to agree with him then he has managed a feat that no rational being should be capable of.
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maltese101 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student General Artist
I was scrolling down to search for the teal deer lol xD

Love is not sex. Well duh.

And homosexuals aren't the only ones who do sex for pleasure.. straight people do it too, but I don't see anyone complaining about it.
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willwriteforhearts Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Writer
Religious, I don't know why God would make people homosexual just to tell them that they shouldn't be or act on it, you know?
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Okay, a few things. First, you're right about the phobia thing. The actual term for people like you would be heterosexist.

Also Gender confusion and transgenderism is not related to homosexuality. It's very rare for a person to be transgendered and homosexual. It does happen, but that's the exception rather then the norm.

As for the "born this way", while there has been no genetic cause per se, some genes do influence it. Further more there is another way for a person to be born with something. One of the leading theories is that hormones in the mother's womb can affect the child. In studies of homosexual males, consecutive male births increases the chances that the next male child while be gay. After 7 consecutive male children, the chances seem to be about 50% that the boy will be gay. Likewise with twins, even fraternal twins who are no more alike then any other two siblings(except for being in the womb at the same time) there's a 70% chance that if one is gay the other one will be too, suggesting that it's a mix of factors as opposed to any singular cause.

Also, there has been a fair amount of research on families who raise kids with same-gender parents. Studies show that as long as a child has two loving parents, the gender doesn't matter. In fact, some studies showed that same-gender parents were statistically better then their opposite gendered counterparts. That could be attributed to the fact that same-gender couples have to struggle to have a child, adoption, surrogates, etc. all requires extensive planning and money so it's rare for a same-gender couple to have an unwanted or unplanned child.

As for God's design. I don't believe in any particular deity, but if there was one who was responsible for my creation, then he would be similarly responsible for my bisexuality. To reject who I am because someone else said that their hokey book written 1500 years ago by people who still thought the wheel was the greatest thing since fire told them that it was wrong would not only force me to act in a way contrary to my own desires but also make me an ungrateful ass. If there is a god, I'd thank him for making me bisexual.
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taylor17387 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Geez, that's probably the longest thing I've ever read in the Internet.
As for your points, here goes my text wall:

a) Regarding the "homosexual lifestyle", I've never understood why a biological condition should be made into a lifestyle with its own flag, associations, music, clothing, even food! (true, I saw it in a magazine: "food for gays"). I have brown eyes, and not because of that I've joined a brown-eyed coalition, to separate from the blue-eyed. Sure, whenever somebody threatens homosexuals, these have the right to join and protest. But that's different from creating a whole "culture" around the issue.

b) Agree that people put much importance into labels like "straight" or "gay". That shouldn't be a defining quality of your personality. In my opinion, there shouldn't even be words to describe the difference. Those labels were invented by psychiatrists, and have done absolutely no good for anybody. You should see the amount of straight guys who have had some homosexual experience and are panicking, not because of the experience itself, but because people could label them "gay", as if a word could hurt so much.

c) Completely disagree about the "moral education" part. We live in a society in which (in theory) homosexuals have the same rights and are equal to others. So this is what should be teached in schools and what the media should support. The parents can protest all they want, and in the privacy of home they can teach their kids whatever they want: homophobia, racism, or how to beat women...Unfortunately, nobody can stop them.
But the public opinion must support the values that are hold by the majority. If we have black characters in children cartoons because society is not racist anymore (again, in theory), then there's no reason to not have gay characters in cartoons. The opinion of homophobes should be kept aside, just like nobody pays attention anymore to the opinion of racists.

d) You seem to confuse homosexuals with transexuals. There's not a dissonance between brain and body for homosexuals. And there are several signs that point towards a biological origin for homosexuality, from genes to masculinization of the brain, left-handedness, and different brain structures: [link].
Also, it's false that animals only indulge into gay sex because they're confused. Bonobos are quite intelligent and they do it a lot. Males usually please each other with the hand. Can you explain why a male bonobo would confuse another male with a female, while holding his penis in the hand? Surely they're not so stupid.

e) As for marriage, why do you suppose that gay marriage is all about sex? What, aren't out there straight couples that just think about sex all the time? Also, marriage wasn't about love at first. It was about reproduction and economical contracts. The bourgeoisie switched its meaning to that of "love" to differentiate themselves from aristochrats and common people, who were far more promiscous and less "romantical".
In any case, if marriage only has sense when the couple have kids, then infertile people shouldn't have more right to marry than gays, would they?
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RockyGems Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student General Artist
Where's the teal deer?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You have been honest, now let me be honest. Keep your mind out of the bedrooms of other people.
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MatthewMatters Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
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What happens in bed is to stay the fuck in bed. No-one has ANY right to get in the way of sex between two (or more!) responsible people over the age of consent.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I do. She said I could go first in that position. :paranoid:
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Look, Yet another christian cishet trying to lecture me :bored:
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The word lecture is giving this mountainous wall of text far to much credit. It's more of a barely coherent ramble full of incorrect statements and stream of consciousness madness.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
That's where the 'trying to', comes in.
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
You should have just stated you believed in god in the beginning. It would have saved me the trouble of reading that book
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
Hahaha.
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Dragonflae Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
I couldn't read that whole thing.

But in response to your points,

1) You're confusing transgender identity with homosexuality. Transgenders are physically one gender and mentally another. Homosexuality simply means you acknowledge your gender and still like the same. Both have been scientifically established as hormonal imbalances.

2) I am glad that you're an at least semi-rational Christian who isn't frothing at the mouth. It's your choice in what you believe(although I strongly encourage you to study Christianity til your eyes fall out and you know all there is to know. Most Christians don't know what's in their own bible, and if they did, they wouldn't be Christian. That's what happened to me.), and I respect that you don't differentiate LGBT as another, lesser species of human.

My advice to you is study the subject matter before forming an opinion on it, lest you look like an imbecile. This goes for all areas of knowledge.
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LBtheCC Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This post makes my eyes bleed :( Anyway.

Re: "As you may be aware (or not)"
Don't insult your audience. This is a philosophy forum. I guarantee the regulars are quite aware of what's going on. Assuming that a forum may have heard of some issues before you arrived, especially years old ones, is a good assumption.

Re: "I, as my own person with my own brain, do not agree with a homosexual lifestyle."
You've already stated "This is my own opinion." No need to be redundant. Also, are you implying something about people who might read your post? Again, don't insult your audience.

Re: "You are not defined by your sexuality"
Well ok. You've at least made an attempt to define what makes you who you are, so I won't chase that particular rabbit. But, do you doubt that a person's sexuality isn't an important part of their life? I am not my parents, but who raised me and their love for me is still important. I am not my career, but it is how I chose to spend the better part of my day doing, and how I support myself. I am not my hobbies, but they are how I choose to spend my time. I am not my experiences, but they shape how I behave and react to certain situations. And so on, and so forth. You've as much as hinted that it is the multitude of important things in your life that make you who you are. If so, then how is a person's sexuality any different? It influences who they spend their time with, whether or not they have kids and how, and (in this day and age) how they are treated by others. Are these things not important?

Re: Moral education
We teach share-share-alike. We teach patriotism (hand on heart, face the flag, recite the Pledge). We teach anti-drug education. Some schools teach safe sex. Should we obliterate those too? Most parents are happy if the school reinforces their teaching. It's a blessing. Oh, but not if it's a controversial opinion, eh?

Re: "(remember I don't hate them I just wouldn't live like that or encourage anyone else to but I still treat people like people)"
So you're a heterosexual. And? I wouldn't live like a homosexual either. The idea of kissing another girl is disgusting to me, personally. So what? That's just part of being hetero.

Re: "Gender isn't here (pointing to genitals), it's here (pointing to brain)"
It's both, actually. If you'd like, I can point you to some resources to educate yourself about what goes into sexuality and gender. And yes, a lot of what defines your gender is defined in-utero. I have a challenge for you. Explain to me the various congenital gender disorders, or even one of them, and then tell me how people born with these might have difficulty defining their sexuality, much less their gender. Once you're done, look up the prevalence of homosexuality in our population. When done with that, tell me what your conclusions are. Go! You have homework to do.

Re: "Scientist have tried to see if it is genetic and nothing so far."
Appeal to ignorance is a poor logical argument. For a person who is religious, you especially don't want to be using that form of argument. The can of worms I can open up here is remarkable.

Re: "And animals never have commited relationships .... and they don't do it for fun, they do it for survival."
Wrong. You just got another homework assignment, young lady.

Re: "Homosexual relationships have been around for a long time ... It has just never been forced into a pillar of society as it is today."
Wrong. Look up the role of sexuality in Greek and Roman society. Tell me your conclusions. That makes your homework assignments 3 now. Extra credit: read Plato's Symposium. It's short. Cheap too, if not in your school's library: [link]

Re: The purpose of marriage
So you propose marrying someone you're not attracted to? And then learning to love them? Like a friend or something? And then having kids with them? And bearing through sex that you believe is disgusting for the sake of reproducing? Wow. No wonder people marry for money, status, and/or a green card. At least you get something from the deal.
Also I'm pretty sure marriage has been a cultural institution regardless of ties to religion. It's a complex thing. Let's not oversimplify it.

Re: "Love and marriage are not for sex, they are for people who truly care about each other and who share an intimate bond (the rest is just hormones)."
Hormones are what attract people to each other to begin with. After a while, you learn to care for the other person. You could say lust is the magnet and love is the glue. You don't just love a person without having spent time with them. Period. So? What if a girl is attracted to another girl, and after many years they learn to care for each other beyond the sexual aspect? They're just supposed to have tea parties forever, eh?

Re: "Too many people's moral compasses are getting and already confused" etc. etc. etc.
You say confusion, I say cultural change. There are many more things to blame for the culture changing than homosexuality alone. And is it such a bad thing? Family functions and arrangements changing? You said it yourself: the evidence is too slim.

Re: Religious part
Again, appeal to ignorance is weak. If your studies have yielded no "stamp of approval" then you can't assume there isn't one. And for all you know, David was bisexual.

Re: Homosexual desires
Who hasn't? It's part of being a teen. It's quite natural to explore a bit too, and then ultimately decide what you do and don't like. If you came out the other side of puberty hetero, kudos.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
So you're a heterosexual. And? I wouldn't live like a homosexual either. The idea of kissing another girl is disgusting to me, personally. So what? That's just part of being hetero.

-I think you should add into the note that it isn't necessarily is a part of being hetero as it's entirely possible for one to go against their orientation and have 0 problems with it. Experimentation, curiousity, or just the general feeling of meh, I'll try this instead of going by my orientation and more are all examples of feelings/actions that shows one could go against their orientation plus and some would say that sexuality isn't actually attainable as all definitions of sexuality has its problem.

Who hasn't? It's part of being a teen. It's quite natural to explore a bit too, and then ultimately decide what you do and don't like. If you came out the other side of puberty hetero, kudos.

-Some adults still explore themselves and don't even know what to define themselves.

Rest, I got no problem or criticism.
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LBtheCC Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm of the opinion that sexuality is a spectrum. There's definite hetero, mostly hetero, bi, mostly homo, definite homo, and of course, asexual. People who aren't 100% one way or the other just aren't.

As for myself, I'd say probably about 95% hetero. Most the time, under most circumstances, the same sex is ick. Occassionally, it isn't. I can be honest with myself too.

Some adults watch Brazilian fart porn. I'd say it's not the majority, though. When generalizing, the exceptions are (generally) left out.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
... I now have an image of a blue haired chick kissing a girl under a sign saying 5%, while watching fat brazilians farting while they have sex with a shakira look alike.(Even though she`s columbian, I know.)
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LBtheCC Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Bahahahaha :)

I could wash that out of your brain with this: [link]

You're welcome.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
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I am not going to be able to sleep for a week.
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LBtheCC Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
But you've forgotten whatever it was that got you here in the first place, eh?

Also, is there ever such thing as too much kawaii?
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Pretty much...

...Always.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
I'd like to add that I'm also of the opinion that for some, sexuality doesn't exist because it can't be objectively proven as there are no concrete definition or labels because of the problems within every single one of them.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
I'm of the opinion that sexuality is relative meaning others have different perception of sexuality depending on the semantics that they use. There isn't any definitions without a single problem and there isn't any criteria without a single problem, hence why some people believe sexuality is just a social construct.

These three links takes a look at the semantics and social construction of sexuality
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For myself, I watch certain types of porn only for the mechanism behind it, whether same sex is in there or not does not affect me and I don't even gain any pleasure just from watching the opposite or same sex. Only looking at the mechanism is all I need.
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LBtheCC Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll bookmark these links to read later.

If sexuality is just a social construct, that would imply that people are only ever heterosexual because society has told them to be, and were raised as such. I call bullshit.

When you get into debating semantics, I find that the substance of the general argument is already lost. Defining all the terms and defining the definitions of the terms? Come on now.

"This is the kind of tedious pedantry up with which I will not put!"
-Winston Churchill

I didn't know I had gotten myself into an argument over Constructivism.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
If sexuality is just a social construct, that would imply that people are only ever heterosexual because society has told them to be, and were raised as such. I call bullshit.

-I am not arguing that sexuality is a social construct, however, I think you're missing the general point of social constructiveness of sexuality. Some asserts that society defines sexuality. Different cultures perceives sexuality different or at least there's some differences in perception between individuals within a culture or something. Sometimes, it could mean that sexuality is subjective.

As for arguing semantics, some sides asserts this and some sides asserts that. In the end, the results will show that every single definitions/criterias have problems as those links would show.
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LBtheCC Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
To be quite frank, there is a lot I disagree with Constructivism in general. If that's what we're discussing, then I respectfully disagree. If we can agree to that, then awesome.

In the meantime, I'll get to those mountains of text when the mood strikes me.
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