Assuming God and Jesus are the good guys, I'd say they are incompetent and have no idea what they are doing, and thus is tricked by an inferior opponent. Or they just don't care at all.
However, looking at the situation as a whole, I find it much more likely that if the Judeo-Christian God exists he is the bad one. Why? Because if God is malevolent the world makes a lot more sense right away. You don't have to sit through hours and hours of apologetics for it to kinda, but not really make sense for one. And it would make sense with regards to the Shepard analogy: you protect them until they are ready for slaughter.
Also, the "Love and Fear the Lord" thing is really suspicious. First; why would a loving God want us to fear him in the first place? And why would a loving God try to force people who fear him to love him as themselves? Doesn't seem like anything the God a lot of modern christians try to promote.
Perhaps there IS a such thing as 'enough of enough ... I'm outta here!' -- emotions of exasperation?
Going further back, once upon a time there was Moses, who also was in charge of leading a flock. It was not exactly an inspiring job, considering how many times his flock had rebelled and had to be punished (though it could have been a lot worse had Moses not begged Him to lessen standard divine punitive procedure more than once!) to keep them in line.
Had Christ hung around lot longer, like Moses, I wonder if he would have ended up becoming as exasperated as Moses! Hypertension? Ulcers??
In case of Jesus Christ: He could not have arrived at the worst time. The Roman Empire was at its zenith and local Jewish rulers were, for all practical purposes, vassals to Rome. So ... having his career cut down brutally short might not have been such a bad thing for him.
The reason why I think the Roman Empire was at its zenith at the time of Christ is that the Romans enjoyed political stability under Augustus. However, while the Romans made further territorial gains within two centuries after Christ/Augustus era, they became overextended and could not avoid costly succession struggles.
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Hope you are doing well DL.
With God who knows what is really going on? God is beyond all space, time and logic, all of what anybody on earth could ever think. I think of Satan as a whole lot more malevolent than the current state of humanity, if Satan is in charge then why aren't things worse? Who's at the mercy of the devil? Jesus left nobody. Thats just my own opinions though, having no merit.
Hmm, if I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's because he's been dead for 2000 years, if he ever existed at all. Not to mention that religious people aren't likely to be critical of their own religion, so you can expect an abundance of logical inconsistencies.
Your naturalist perspective is preventing me from providing information. Thus far, I've tried to answer your posts with your worldview in mind, but the answer to this question, from your perspective, shouldn't exist. Thus the only thing I can say is read the text, and consider the possibility that there is more to this universe than what your five senses can perceive.
An amusing sentiment coming from someone who basis his entire moral structure on fifteen seconds of his life he either can not prove or has chosen not to prove. But you have some truth. Faith without works is dead, after all. Faith with works, however, produces experience. Experience brings knowledge, and knowledge brings confidence. It is from this confidence that I have replied to you since you showed up.
"Your indoctrination and brainwashing has insured that you cannot think from my perspective while you religion has compromised your morals."
So I've brainwashed myself, have I? If you've ever taken the time to visit a church, you will find that it asks, nay requires, its members to study and question their faith regularly. Even our own holy book states that we should test all things, being shrewd as serpents. And out of the two of us throughout your posts, which of us spoke from experience, and which of us depended on Youtube videos to validate his claims. I'd like to believe you are capable of defending your faith without needing to be "backed up" by anything but your own findings. You claim to be intelligent, and I believe you are, but your actions are speaking volumes more than your walls of text.
On that same note, which of us has resorted to insults to solidify his point. Not that I really care or worry about having my pride hurt, but to resort to such retorts makes one seem immature, childish even, and not befitting of someone of the status you claim to be. And as these aforementioned points are key signs of indoctrination, I have to wonder which of us is truly brainwashed. You've seen before that I am fully capable of understanding your perspective, and even agreed with you on that basis in the past. Despite the multiple lapses in your information, you make decent points from time to time, and I only disagree because of the information I am privy to that you are not.
"Be born again friend or stay brainwashed. Your choice."
It is because I am born again that I am privy to this information, and it is because of the Holy Spirit, the answer to your question, that your "satanic super wolf" is all bark and no bite.