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Why should everyone have to follow a specific religion?

:iconleah-the-keeper:
Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
One question that has always bothered me since the day that I was born. Everyday you see people on the streets portraying their religion and why it is the best. Everyone has to sit in a religion class where they try to force their religion down your throat. We have always been told to follow one religion or no religion. This is my opinion, why can't we have our own religion?
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You need to do some sociology/social psychology for that answer.
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NarcoticxDreams Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Student Photographer
Religions were firstly created to aid human civilization with hope, dreams and something to look up to. We are all entitled to our own beliefs and whoever begs to differ should go die in a hole. For some religion like I've said is hope, bereft of religion they may be lost. Then there are others who completely disregard it as pathetic and childish because that's them, and it'd be wrong shoving it down their throats. It's a two-way road, and everything in this world isn't just black and white, there are shades of grey all 'round only too faint so most people don't understand or won't bother understanding.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It's not going to be all that visible from an non-believer's point of view, but most religions do have a better truth claim than some shit someone just makes up off the top of his head. At the very least, their ideas have been "bounced off" a whole bunch of other people, and been refined via adversarial processes and are often very stringent. Any possible critique of any possible religion has already been voiced, and the religious have had to answer for that. Occasionally they come up with answers that even hold water.

My experience with people who follow a sui generis set of beliefs is that they insulate themselves from any critique whatsoever, choosing to answer for nothing at all apart from their right to hold any beliefs they want.

The main difference is that a religion is working with a set of basic fact-like statements constituting (at least in Abrahamic religions) a putative divine revelation that must be taken as it is. A fundamentalist Christian may exhibit an irrational reliance on the Bible over the evidence of the real world, but he is (usually) not free to concoct what the text actually says. Specific teachings are drawn out as a developmental process over a very long time and are almost always founded on the revelation. That may not always be obvious at first glance for any particular teaching, but an educated religious adherent can usually tell you how it was arrived at.

On the other hand, a personal religion might be based on anything at all, even on something as flimsy as an individual's private fantasies. It need not be, and often isn't, self-consistent, and the individual has almost never thought through all the consequences.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Why am I not the messiah? Because I am a man.
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:iconstaple-salad:
staple-salad Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
I've always been of the opinion that all religions are the same, more or less, the names and stories are just changed, with some more local doctrine by the local culture. Same "God(s)" just different manifestations based on cultural concepts.

But the problem lies where each religion, in order to gain and keep followers (and therefore power), maintains that it is the ONLY "correct" religion (with some consequence to nonbelievers), and that is where the fighting begins...
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student General Artist
You can if you want to. My mom's friend follows a sort of "religion" that he thought of himself. Religion is mostly an emotional thing, and means something different for everyone
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student General Artist
Just think about ethoncentricism. Everyone has a bit of that. If you talk about American pride, you have ethnocentricism. Everyone has a little ethnocentricism in them. It kind of promotes alot of things, like solidarity and the feeling of you belonging to something. It kind of glorifies history.

But of course, everyone can have cultural relativism. Not all religions are purely ethnocentric. A few people in the group can have respect to others.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012   Digital Artist
"Everyone has to sit in a religion class where they try to force their religion down your throat."
Really? Where is it that you live that everyone is forced to do so?

I believe whatever I want whenever I feel like it. I think most people do the same. So what exactly are you trying to get at?
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:iconleah-the-keeper:
Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
I'm trying to prove that everyone's views should be respected
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012   Digital Artist
Awesome, what of the religions that include trying to convert people as part of their doctrine, aren't you kind of not respecting their view?

Also, I'd still love to know where it is that EVERYONE has to sit in a religious class.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist
The truth of the matter is the "Word of God of the Bible" has nothing to do with any religion. Because, the Bible is the "Law book of God", and they were given to mankind to obey them and that we are to follow God's law, the Bible.
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
You can have your own religion. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a 'right' religion. It's just that people disagree what it is or isn't.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist
Again, the word of God of the Bible has nothing to do with any religion. Because, religion doesn't save anyone.
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
TimeHasAnEnd, people who have no testimony of the Bible aren't going to believe that at all, just because you say it. You need to reach people on their own level if you wish to convince them at all. They considering religion 'religion', thus, I use their wording to portray it so they understand. You might try doing that too... it'd help, I think.
-TAO
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist
He has a point though. The Bible doesn't say to join x religion or y religion but instead lays out what we should (and shouldn't) do.
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Of course.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think religions try to convert people because a religion is basically a set of rose-tinted glasses. It's an elaborate system of self delusion that makes the whole world nicer to look at. Now, if you're wearing your rose-tinted glasses, and you see someone else wearing a completely different set (i.e., someone of a different religion), it sort of puts a hairline fracture in your rose-tinted glasses. It makes you wonder, "Are they delusional, or am I? Or maybe we're both delusional!" That's why people try to convert others to their religion: it reinforces the strength of their delusion, and keeps them from having to speculate on the verity of their beliefs.
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Earthtalon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Anti theist incoming!
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you have some objection to my thoughts, by all means, let me know, but I will only listen if you use coherent logic. I feel that the tendency of the religious to try and convert people is a contemptible practice, abundantly worthy of ridicule. If you think otherwise, present your logic.
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:iconearthtalon:
Earthtalon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student Digital Artist
That was...unexpectedly and pleasurably, rational...
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, okay. Well I'm glad you think so.
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:iconearthtalon:
Earthtalon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm not even going to argue, you win. Maybe I should rethink my agnostic stance...
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you truly mean that? That's excellent, if I've actually made another person rethink their position, but I should be very disappointed if that were sarcasm.
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Earthtalon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Seriously.
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Badgercheese1994 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student General Artist
No one should. Let people believe what they want to.
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:iconleah-the-keeper:
Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
While the topic of religion class has been brought up into my starting argument.... doe sanybody know I write poems on religion.
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Hurricaneclaw Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Since the day you were born. So, when you were a day old, you were pondering about religion?
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:iconleah-the-keeper:
Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
I'm very intelligent :-) don't be mean. You should see half the shit I come up with:-)
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Hurricaneclaw Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Seems legit.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student Writer
You can have your own religion. I do. :)
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Didj Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
To put it simply, every religion believes that they are the only true religion and everyone else in the world is living a lie. And in many cases it is their divine mission to lead people away from the lies and into their religion of truth. Or you can just say that it's plain old intolerance.
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Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Amen
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Neonila Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
People follow whatever religion, spiritual beliefs, ideas about the world they feel like. The think they're the best cause if you don't think your beliefs are right then why have them?

But really, I met the parish priest the other day -haven't been to church in years- and he was along the lines of "hows things going, how work n family". I really don't get where one finds people trying to push their religion on you. Maybe it's you who stirs the conversation that way? Or maybe I'm just lucky and have just met with the nice religious folk :)
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Many people do not follow whatever religion they feel like; they follow whatever religion they've been indoctrinated to since birth.
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Neonila Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
Many people follow many things without thinking. Let me change it to "people follow whatever religion they choose to". My personal opinion is that whatever brainwashing, indoctrination, propaganda, advertising etc. it's still your choice and you're still responsible for it.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
The point of indoctrination is that there is no choice, but that the people who suffer it are trained to think their choice is the one they've chosen. This is why it's so wrong.
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Neonila Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
I get what you say, still if that holds you could say that being say a racist is not your choice cause your dad drilled it in your brain since you were a kid, it's not his choice either cause his dad told him etc. Someone did make a choice and if that person can take your choices from you then you're not thinking or fall into the easy-to-manipulate category. Who would you hold responsible for a persons behavior?
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Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
I'm sure you've expirienced the people who come knocking on your door handing you books about how wonderful catholism is(no oftence to anyone) but your right.... maybe because I'm part satanist they hope they can save me. :-)
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Neonila Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Actually no. Just older people sometimes hand me a flyer in the street, I take it, say thanks and we go our separate ways :)
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Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
They like me, so they never leave me alone. Me brother shoves a penagram in their face, and they follow him around, saying he's a wonderful young man:-)
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Leah-the-keeper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
True, but there arre still people who believe that your a retard for doing it. Like I believe in a concept that God and Satan should pretty well be worshiped just the same. They are both creatures that destine our fate. When I tell people this, they think I'm crazy
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ElDynamite Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You can. I tell people that I believe in the IPU all the time. Believe in whatever you want, but you're going to most likely be wrong.

Religion is created by people. Meaning you can say that your religion has belief in xyz, and it'll be a religion. There is nothing that "recognizes" a religion. A word has to be put in the dictionary, but there is no "religion dictionary".
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