However, religion has proven time and time again to be a destructive force, whether it's the Muslims who blew up the world trade center, or just an American Christian who opposes gay marriage. It creates unnecessary suffering, and perhaps its worst quality is that it has no "reality check." It seems all religions like to promise is reward after death, so there is no opportunity for a religious person to realize they've been mistaken in time for them to ameliorate their actions. It is only through the spread of education and logic that we can combat the destructive aspects of religion, and keep them from cropping up in the future, or as you like to phrase it, to "become one of the monkeys in the middle flinging their feces at each other."
Further, I don't believe you when you call yourself an "apatheist." What you really are, I think, is uncommitted. Faced with the prospect of having to digest weighty logical arguments, and perhaps alienating friends and family, you have simply decided not to take a stance. This is intellectual laziness, and it's a bad habit you had best be rid of. As one of my professors used to say, "A citizen without an opinion is a bad citizen."
Where the bloody hell did you get that from? I said nothing of the sort! I'm tempted to explain to you how ridiculous that sounds, but I'm inclined to think you're being deliberately absurd, as to avoid having a conversation of any substance. That would be very consistent with intellectual laziness, sure enough.
True, I consider it one of the worst aspects of human nature, but what you said is just silly, for a multitude of reasons. Among them, persecution does not make people give up their religion. The Jews alone ought to be proof enough of that. In fact, I specifically said "it is only through the spread of education and logic that we can combat the destructive aspects of religion, and keep them from cropping up in the future."
Now do you have anything reasonable to say? Perhaps you'd like to tell me how you reconcile apathy with the abundance of religious atrocity?
Well yes, about the persecution part actually. As it seems of the moment, the internet is being swept by a storm of 'new' Atheists that believe that persecuting those that belong to a religion will convert them to be Atheist. *COUGH* r/ atheism *COUGH*
You have a very skewed perception of persecution, if you really mean that. Persecution is when you give a certain group inferior rights to everyone else, simply for being of that group. A Jew in Nazi Germany who is forcibly relocated into a ghetto is being persecuted. A Christian whose argument is dismantled before them in a debate is being educated. When someone says something you find logically objectionable, you should raise your objections, lest the faulty idea be propagated. That's what we call intellectual honesty. Yourself, for example. I told you my take on "apatheism" because I believe it is illogical and potentially harmful. Do you now consider yourself persecuted? It was your idea to come put this up on the internet. You have by all means invited criticism, and if you cannot answer it, you had best rethink your position.
Hi OP! It's a never ending war alright! I also think people shouldn't rant about how they think another religion is faulty somehow. A person X can always rant how faulty another person Y lives his/her life, however that person X cannot be spared from every other person who can rant with proof that the person X lives life in fault too. Everybody makes mistakes.
I think that anyone with a social conscience will be a dip shit and try to correct foolish religious thinking.
You too should be a dip shit FMPOV. Let's see if I can get you to agree.
It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.
When have I mentioned Christians? You're the second person who didn't even read what I said.
P.S. I bet there may be at least one. But what's your point? That it's somehow equivalent to something such as, say... the Catholic Church's systemic protection and trafficking of paedophiles and rapists? Or the pathological mistreatment of women in many Islamic countries?
If you don't want to care, then don't care. Just don't spread ignorance.
Let's go by the purely-Islamic countries that adopt Islam as the foundation of their country. That's... Afghanistan; Brunei; Iran; Mauritania; Pakistan; Saudi Arabai; and Yemen. Out of these states alone, there are about 300 million who adopt Islam in these Islam-based states. Let's be very generous and say, despite being subject to Sharia, only 0.1% hate people like me who don't share their god. That makes 300,000 people out of 300,000,000, and that does not include anything about the other 1,300,000,000 that I deliberately left out. And honestly, given the unfortunate sectarian violence between Muslims alone, that does not seem like a particularly inflated estimate.
Though that's just a small part of the worst of the Muslim world. I have not even included Christians into that. The amount of churches and Christians I have heard of that would love nothing more than righteous hellfire to kill atheists and Muslims absolutely sickens me. I of course do not mean only people who would grab a weapon and bash my head in. This includes people who are happy at the prospect of people not of their religion burning in flames on judgment day. It's an abhorrent concept to begin with.
I do not think my estimate of millions to be an exaggeration. It seems to be a foregone conclusion of the tribalism inherent in religion.
You claim to be an "apatheist", but you sure do seem to care a lot about others' opinions regarding theology. You claim that those who take sides and bicker over the existence of a deity are reminiscent of apes slinging dung, and yet here you are doing just that. You have provided no argument of substance, you have simply called people names while babbling on with your grandiloquent banter.
As a theologically apathetic person myself I am not the least bit bothered by people participating in logical discussions regarding theology, nor do I mind participating in such discussions from time to time myself, so long as the discussions are of a respectful, educational nature. If a churchgoer wishes to come up to me on the street and hand me a pamphlet regarding scriptures and religious propaganda, then that is their right to do so long as they are not acting as a threat to my well being. If an atheist wants to approach that churchgoer and hand them a pamphlet regarding science and anti-theistic propaganda. Nobody is the same and different people have different interests. There is nothing wrong with that.
The issue we face is the government and the power struggle which ensues between theists, non-theists and those of differing religious ideologies as a result of its exaggerated state of existence. Reduce the government to a minimal state which only observes natural law and then people of differing ideologies can act in an autonomous manner without feeling threatened by one another's existence.