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My Views of Religion

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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
DISCLAIMER: No, I will not bash a certain group.

Well, to start things off I'll talk a bit about my religious beliefs. I am Apatheist. I just don't give enough shits to shake a stick at the possibility of a god. I just don't care if there is or isn't one to be simple. And I don't think it will mater either. But on to the main course.
I think that if you make a rant about how another religious belief is wrong, you immediately become one of the monkeys in the middle flinging their feces at each other. Which is kinda pathetic. (Aw, dammit, just broke my own rule.)It's a useless war that will never cease to end until the death of man. Just like console wars. And to be honest, anyone who has ever insulted another religion should be ashamed of themselves. You've just taken part in the never ending war, thanks dip-shit. (Not talking to any specific person.)


Well, there it was two paragraphs of my two-sense.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
However, religion has proven time and time again to be a destructive force, whether it's the Muslims who blew up the world trade center, or just an American Christian who opposes gay marriage. It creates unnecessary suffering, and perhaps its worst quality is that it has no "reality check." It seems all religions like to promise is reward after death, so there is no opportunity for a religious person to realize they've been mistaken in time for them to ameliorate their actions. It is only through the spread of education and logic that we can combat the destructive aspects of religion, and keep them from cropping up in the future, or as you like to phrase it, to "become one of the monkeys in the middle flinging their feces at each other."

Further, I don't believe you when you call yourself an "apatheist." What you really are, I think, is uncommitted. Faced with the prospect of having to digest weighty logical arguments, and perhaps alienating friends and family, you have simply decided not to take a stance. This is intellectual laziness, and it's a bad habit you had best be rid of. As one of my professors used to say, "A citizen without an opinion is a bad citizen."
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So what you're saying is that everyone that's apart of a religion should be sent to a death camp?
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Where the bloody hell did you get that from? I said nothing of the sort! I'm tempted to explain to you how ridiculous that sounds, but I'm inclined to think you're being deliberately absurd, as to avoid having a conversation of any substance. That would be very consistent with intellectual laziness, sure enough.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, it just sounded like you wanted all religion to die a fiery death.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, I consider it one of the worst aspects of human nature, but what you said is just silly, for a multitude of reasons. Among them, persecution does not make people give up their religion. The Jews alone ought to be proof enough of that. In fact, I specifically said "it is only through the spread of education and logic that we can combat the destructive aspects of religion, and keep them from cropping up in the future."

Now do you have anything reasonable to say? Perhaps you'd like to tell me how you reconcile apathy with the abundance of religious atrocity?
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well yes, about the persecution part actually. As it seems of the moment, the internet is being swept by a storm of 'new' Atheists that believe that persecuting those that belong to a religion will convert them to be Atheist. *COUGH* r/ atheism *COUGH*
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You have a very skewed perception of persecution, if you really mean that. Persecution is when you give a certain group inferior rights to everyone else, simply for being of that group. A Jew in Nazi Germany who is forcibly relocated into a ghetto is being persecuted. A Christian whose argument is dismantled before them in a debate is being educated. When someone says something you find logically objectionable, you should raise your objections, lest the faulty idea be propagated. That's what we call intellectual honesty. Yourself, for example. I told you my take on "apatheism" because I believe it is illogical and potentially harmful. Do you now consider yourself persecuted? It was your idea to come put this up on the internet. You have by all means invited criticism, and if you cannot answer it, you had best rethink your position.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, yes you do prove a point, but what if it's just blunt insults?
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
so you come onto a forum dedicated to philosophy and make a thread that is ment to incite questions and discussions just so you could tell us tha you dont care about religion?

boy, thats an aweful lot of not caring.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
SURE IS, DEE-HUR.
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etheara Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Hi OP! It's a never ending war alright! I also think people shouldn't rant about how they think another religion is faulty somehow. A person X can always rant how faulty another person Y lives his/her life, however that person X cannot be spared from every other person who can rant with proof that the person X lives life in fault too. Everybody makes mistakes.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not ranting about how the two religious choices are faulty. I'm just voicing my opinion that it's immature and needs to stop.
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etheara Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
yes. I get that. i know people who rant about how the two religious choices are faulty.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm faulty because I have years of built up anger, not because I'm fed up with the arguments.
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etheara Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
alright.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I guess that I am a dip shit.

I think that anyone with a social conscience will be a dip shit and try to correct foolish religious thinking.

You too should be a dip shit FMPOV. Let's see if I can get you to agree.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

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They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
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Jesus Camp 1of 9
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Promoting death to Gays.
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For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man to be a dip shit.

Regards
DL
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:iconetheara:
etheara Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I thought it was my duty to my fellow man to be good.

Regards!
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Yes but are you being good if you do not fight what I showed?

Are those evil things and should you just let them grow?

Let me have your judgement so I can see your thoughts.

Regards
DL
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Calling me a dip shit for a opinion.
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Greatest-I-am Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Not yet but if I am and proud of it then you should be as well.

You definitely are though and should be ashamed if you do not opine on what I gave.

Regards
DL
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
REGARDS,
DL THE DELL
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TwistedSynapses Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
You're incredibly fortunate to live somewhere where your neutrality is allowed.
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HotelChelseaNights Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Freedom to choose what one believes without persecution changes everything.
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TwistedSynapses Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
It does, and should be the right of all.
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:iconmcdenis09:
McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm guessing you live in the Middle East.
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TwistedSynapses Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'm fortunate as well. But a good many people aren't, and haven't been for most of history.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
The important thing is that you found a way to fling your faeces all over everybody.
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:iconmcdenis09:
McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Clap, clap.
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HotelChelseaNights Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Did the coming Ankylosaurus Christ, or Muhammasaurus signal the coming of the end for the Dinosaur's?
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I am Apatheist.

So why did you care enough to post? And why do you expect anyone to be interested?
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:iconmcdenis09:
McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
W The same can be said about you commenting.
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:iconenuocale:
EnuoCale Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
If you think insulting Scientology is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I wasn't insulting Scientology. I was focusing on the main part of this endless war. The Atheists v. Christians.
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:iconetheara:
etheara Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
But I hope you aren't stereotyping Christians. Not all of us will force Jesus on you.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No, I'm not trying to stereotype anyone.
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:iconetheara:
etheara Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Okay. Sorry. :highfive:
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EnuoCale Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You missed the irony. If you are allowed to point out why obviously ridiculous things are wrong at the drop of a hat, why can you not do so for more subtle things after some time and review?
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Kamal-Q Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
If being right means being with Tom Cruise,
I'd rather live a wrong doing life :sing:
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Millions of people, according to their religious views, think I and millions of others should die because I choose to exercise freedom of conscience.

Frankly, fuck off.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I'm not saying they should die. I said that the war is an endless one and they'll fight it until they die.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
You said I and millions of others should be ashamed of ourselves for daring to fight back against people's murderous beliefs. Yours is a ridiculous position to take.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So you're saying you're an Atheist that just goes around blindly attacking Christians?


P.S. I bet there's been one 'new' Atheist that's taken it too far and sent death threats to a local priest.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
When have I mentioned Christians? You're the second person who didn't even read what I said.

P.S. I bet there may be at least one. But what's your point? That it's somehow equivalent to something such as, say... the Catholic Church's systemic protection and trafficking of paedophiles and rapists? Or the pathological mistreatment of women in many Islamic countries?

If you don't want to care, then don't care. Just don't spread ignorance.
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McDenis09 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I read I just wasn't that interested.

*trafficing
*pedophiles
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Earthtalon Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
They all aren't murderous. Quite frankly, their beliefs are often harmless. And how is his position ridiculous?
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
You didn't even read what I posted. I said millions do want me and others like me dead.
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Earthtalon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I think millions is a bit of an exaggeration.
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Let's go by the purely-Islamic countries that adopt Islam as the foundation of their country. That's... Afghanistan; Brunei; Iran; Mauritania; Pakistan; Saudi Arabai; and Yemen. Out of these states alone, there are about 300 million who adopt Islam in these Islam-based states. Let's be very generous and say, despite being subject to Sharia, only 0.1% hate people like me who don't share their god. That makes 300,000 people out of 300,000,000, and that does not include anything about the other 1,300,000,000 that I deliberately left out. And honestly, given the unfortunate sectarian violence between Muslims alone, that does not seem like a particularly inflated estimate.

Though that's just a small part of the worst of the Muslim world. I have not even included Christians into that. The amount of churches and Christians I have heard of that would love nothing more than righteous hellfire to kill atheists and Muslims absolutely sickens me. I of course do not mean only people who would grab a weapon and bash my head in. This includes people who are happy at the prospect of people not of their religion burning in flames on judgment day. It's an abhorrent concept to begin with.

I do not think my estimate of millions to be an exaggeration. It seems to be a foregone conclusion of the tribalism inherent in religion.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
You claim to be an "apatheist", but you sure do seem to care a lot about others' opinions regarding theology. You claim that those who take sides and bicker over the existence of a deity are reminiscent of apes slinging dung, and yet here you are doing just that. You have provided no argument of substance, you have simply called people names while babbling on with your grandiloquent banter.

As a theologically apathetic person myself I am not the least bit bothered by people participating in logical discussions regarding theology, nor do I mind participating in such discussions from time to time myself, so long as the discussions are of a respectful, educational nature. If a churchgoer wishes to come up to me on the street and hand me a pamphlet regarding scriptures and religious propaganda, then that is their right to do so long as they are not acting as a threat to my well being. If an atheist wants to approach that churchgoer and hand them a pamphlet regarding science and anti-theistic propaganda. Nobody is the same and different people have different interests. There is nothing wrong with that.

The issue we face is the government and the power struggle which ensues between theists, non-theists and those of differing religious ideologies as a result of its exaggerated state of existence. Reduce the government to a minimal state which only observes natural law and then people of differing ideologies can act in an autonomous manner without feeling threatened by one another's existence.
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