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Scientist finds the afterlife

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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
A book will be published soon by a Neurosurgeon Dr Rbden Alexander. His book will be called 'Proof of Heaven'

He was convinced as most scientist are that 'near-death' experiences were just random firings of distressed neurons in the brain.
Until it happened to him and he ended up in a 7 day coma due to an infection. He had no cortical function and was brain dead.

But in that time things happened to him that he can hardly describe but three statements came to him clear and loud:

1) You are loved and cherished,dearly ,for ever
2)You have nothing to fear
3)There is nothing you an do wrong

So what would you do if you knew that you had nothing to fear in this life and that you were utterly loved and cherished?
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sagethethird Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
This "Scientist" has found out he's insane if anything...
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He's either a crackpot or just shamelessly cashing in on people's insecurities. Either explanation is a vastly more likely prospect, I think, than there actually being an afterlife. At least this book is a little less insulting than that one where a child tries to convince us of the afterlife. I think it's called, Heaven is for real. At least a scientist begins with a little more ethos than a child.

Anyway, as for your question, I can't even imagine such a scenario. One of my greatest fears is failure, and if I had nothing to fear, then I could never fail. It doesn't make any sense. The only things worth doing are those which pose some threat of failure. By the way, I'm already utterly loved and cherished by a multitude of people, i.e. my family, and it's a fact of which I rarely take any notice. Love doesn't really affect my plans.
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WilliamRobertRussell Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
sounds like an ayawaska trip. did he come in contact with any "aliens" or "supernaturals?"
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't think so but then no-one has seen his book yet ;-) At least he can't be any worse than 'David Ike' who thinks all people in power are lizards from outer space.
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Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sounds like, as does every other normally logical thinker made a whole shit ton of assumptions of a "supernatural" area he briefly experienced that we don't know anything about. I hope he has solid evidence of his claims.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
Why, one could go as far to say that while he was 'braindead' that the part of his brain that handled logic was offline!
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HotelChelseaNights Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
I once had a dream that I was falling, I did not wake up on the ground, was my mind deceiving me? I do not know but I did not maintain a belief as though I had fallen. Did it actually happen in another plain I don't know. Form photography and may own experience I have learned the mind fills in information that my eye does not detect My mind is actually creating a fictitious reality. Most people do not see things or remember things exactly the same for this reason, until it is pointed out to them and there are enough processed similarities they come to a general consensus. The mind even allows for the changing of one belief for a more palatable one. I am not denying Dr. Alexander's belief in what he believes "happened" to him; there is also the possibility, with so many near death experiences in our midst, his mind filled in what it could not process in an attempt to complete the picture. It is a survival tool that inform the mind how to best respond to a perceived threat or desire. God and Heaven is an amazing thing, I just don't believe this man has any plausible information to share any more than a person who experiences alien abduction. Get a group of people, all die together, come back together, repeat several times, compare notes, and he may have a theory.
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alzebetha Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
wish thinking is wishful.
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Lilium-Cruentus Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He's clearly suffered brain damage of some kind.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
As a scientist he should know that his experiences when is brain is clearly not functioning normally are possibly the worst basis for an argument. Such claims will get shot down in seconds.
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Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But he's a phd! He can't be wrong. Look he even has a shiny white coat and professional aura about him. :noes:
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WhiskyOmega Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
Just because someone hears voices in their mind while they're in a coma is no solid proof of an after-life; they may chose to believe that and that's entirely up to them, but unless they can show some physical proof to the rest of the world. it's Theory and Speculation.

Personally I already know there's nothing to fear in this world but Fear, itself.
While a healthy dose of fear can teach people to be cautious about potentially dangerous situations, this helping their survival, fear itself isn't necessary to live life...in my opinion, anyway.
And I already know I'm loved and cherished by the people whom I also love and cherish, which is really all that matters to me.
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Very true :-)
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Svataben Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Link to anything not paraphrased by you plz.
It's not that I don't believe you per say, it's just... As far as understand brain death, it is impossible to come back from.

I'd like to read something written about it.
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sure you can Google it for yourself. As I said it was just from a newspaper. It was just open for discussion for others to tear apart.
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Svataben Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, if you make a claim, you're the one who should back it.
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:iconunclegargy:
UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You take this all too seriously don't you..
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Svataben Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No, I simply asked you to back your claim, you're the one with your knickers in a bunch.
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HotelChelseaNights Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Which Religion's heaven did he experience? Fuck the book we can solve the worlds religious differences right now. Oh, what's that? Wait for the book?
Nah, I'll catch it when it comes to theaters.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Oh look!
A new person has found Big Foot DNA and has made wonderous claims and yet.....once again, has no evidence or proof to back up their story. Just like all the people who claim to have died and gone to their version of heaven.

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Platonic-Playdough Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I was wondering why you didn't provide sources... Your description of his case is quite incorrect (and you spelled his name wrong).

The man was, in fact, not brain dead. Nor was his neocortex not-functioning, which should go without saying. The thalamus, basal ganglia, and brainstem are deeper brain structures (‘subcortical regions’) and most likely contributed to the processing of such hyperreal experiences, and his case were still active, even if his neocortex had not been functioning (which it was, but... I digress).

According to Mark Cohen, a neurologist, the neocortical inactivity described by Dr. Alexander is “brain death, a 100 percent lethal condition.” If Dr. Alexander had been brain dead as he described it, he would not have survived, or would have remained in a vegetative state for the remainder of his life hooked up to machines. What a way to live.
After hearing this remark via the media, Alexander changed his previous story to the line “well, the thing is I would not say completely inactive...” Although in his book he did. Strange.

Basically what's happening here is that Dr. Alexander is saying 'trust me, I'm a doctor', and people are trusting him without doing their own research. One particular person kind of put it into context on a comment under one of the articles I'm leaving for you all:
My hallucinations have more evidentiary value than the average hallucination. Because I'm a doctor.

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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the links and the further info. I just picked it up from a piece in a newspaper nothing more. And yes it was spelt incorrectly, my apologies ;-)
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Platonic-Playdough Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Yeah, unfortunately doctors are notorious for doing these sorts of things, and then expecting credibility in their story because of the degrees they've earned. For example, do you remember the study done by one particular doctor who claimed that vaccines and Autism were connected? He made his research up in order to get published. All lies. It stinks.
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:iconunclegargy:
UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, that guy was lying to get noticed. But this particular person, he'll either get laughed at or pitied.
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Platonic-Playdough Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
He wants to get notification for having this 'first ever experience'. He had a hallucination, but since he's a doctor he assumes everyone will believe that his hallucination was something more significant. Unfortunately for him, we are a bunch of skeptics with a more profound ability to smell bullshit.
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
;-)
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Earthtalon Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I remember seeing that and being like, WTF. Either he was lying, there was still some brain activity (somehow, idk), or he was telling the truth, in which case, audhhusiawjdiaejdjeidmsmd ERMAGHERD WHAT IS THIS SORCERYdisddkawikwd
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol!
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EnriqueArreguin777 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
I am going to assume that this scientist saw Heaven by the given name of his book. I believe he witnessed a miracle since he was in a coma for 7 days (Which is pretty long if you ask me.) Also, he used to believe that these visions were nothing but distressed neurons in the brain, and maybe he got a sign to bascally be put in the shoes of others of whom he may have claimed to have had near death experiences.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
You need to stop believing everything you read from nutjobs. He didn't die, he didn't go to the afterlife, and 7 day comas are not so rare you should be 'shocked' the guy is alive.
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EnriqueArreguin777 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
We don't know that. Maybe something happened. Besides, why would like him who thought it was a bunch of phooey just decide to change his belief and even write about it?
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Fact: We know the man did not die.

Pay attention gullible one.
Change of minds connected with faith put into book form = MONEY.
It's an easy scam with many willing consumers needing a fix.
Every year you have new accounts of afterlife experiences, big foot findings, alien abductions, and other weird shit getting published because there are markets for it.
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EnriqueArreguin777 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
I guess you could be right. It never said that he died, just ...well you know. (Experience)
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
He said he died, but the people taking care of him never said he died. He was only in a coma, that's not death.
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KiliaArts Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I just posted a video of this on the forum.
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:iconknightster:
Knightster Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
I like turtles.
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Elyssea Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
:iconthisplz:
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Knightster Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
:iconturtleplz:'s are awesome yo.
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Elyssea Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I feel it bro.
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Sirius-910024 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
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Eman333 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Professional Photographer
Sounds like a typical psychedelic trip.
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HotelChelseaNights Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
Well since this post was merely proposing the hypothetical question "what would you do?" to all the scientists who deduced that this was only a question. And since the only other thing posted here in can be reduced to hear-say and a book that is not currently IN existence either. What the 'HELL'.
!. Mastermind a revolution (in which thousands, probable millions would be slaughtered) in support of my monomaniacal sense of what should be.
2. Take control of the state of Virginia, incorporate it as a business who's sole purpose is to produce, package, and distribute tobacco products. Revenue going solely to continued production. Oh, smokes a buck a pack again. And you smoke where-ever the fuck you want.

The question is the human condition, Fear, love, food and shelter. And since we can't change our "humanity", lets just enjoy our freedom of speech which has been applied so liberally here. And let this doctor schmuck apply his liberal right to make his capitalist buck. Everybody is here to pedal their own propaganda anyway.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I want a banana.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
The most suspicious thing about this story is someone named Rbden.
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
His name is Ebden. Got a sticky E ;-)
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Anyways I'm sure he saw western heaven as he is a westerner as oppose to Abrahamic heaven as originally described (sans cloud). I knew a guy who had a near death experience and saw his wife who 'slapped him' for thinking he could die. There are people who Brahma when they have near death.

I expect I'd see a tunnel with light at the end because that's how I envision death.
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HtimsNayr Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
He's not a very good scientist.

A scientist would not proclaim something to be true simply because they have had a really vivid dream.

What testing has he done?
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Trorbes Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
If he were brain-dead for any significant length of time, he wouldn't be able to write a book on it.
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Elyssea Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
:iconiloveyouplz:
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rockstar1009 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
So... where's the proof, exactly? :unimpressed:
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