I'm an atheist, and I see the problem. The problem here is, that if Heaven didn't exist, our current lives would have no meaning because there is no later compensation, allowing us to fuck up as much as we want. But it isn't exactly like that.
You have to see life as a compensation of itself. You only have one, and you (probably) would try to aim at using it in the best way possible. So you aim not to screw up so that you'll be able to enjoy the rest of it. For the better of society murder is, in most cases, illegal, leading to a unfavorable punishment if caught. But that's ethics. What about our own morals, in our heads willing to commit something unlawful but knowing we can't? What if we just eliminated all the laws? Society would have a great step back, going back to "who's stronger wins", but eventually we'd go back to another law system to balance violence out because the stability is favorable for most members of the society.
brainninja11Featured By OwnerDec 6, 2012Student General Artist
I am an atheist, so I don't believe god exists anyway. I behave with logic and empathy towards my fellow man. I am not being held responsible by an all knowing deity, but I am being held responsible by the other 7 billion people on this planet. If we all work together, it makes things a lot easier. I don't need god looking over my shoulder to not act like an ass.
I dont even understand how you can relate the law of society to the laws of your god. the laws of society are just a manifestation of civilization, not the laws required to be abided by and instructed by your god. They are imaginary morality created by many illogical and logical reasoning. For example, prohibition of drugs in general have absolutely nothing to do with your faith in god. in fact many cultures use drugs to help them meditate or "speak" to their higher power. but society says that these things are "bad" and against the law. which makes no logical sense. along with many other things. and if you do not believe in god, then you have absolutely no reason to abide by the moralities of anything, other than your inner conscience. ect ect. i could ramble on forever.
Well I would like you to know, a significant chunk of the world has been to pot. As in Europe. As in the Middle Ages. As in the Bubonic Plague. As in the ideological dispute post-Reformation which set the tone for European politics and religious debate for the hundreds of years. And Europe I still kicking, albiet in the case of some countries more atheist and less witch-burning.
So you purport to know the secrets of 'the people in power on this planet'? Pray tell what are these secrets. I'm assuming it's deeper than maybe the financial minister of Australia secretly has a foot fetish.
If there was no god we would all be dead by now. I'm assuming you have heard of the wayward neutron star that is heading our way and due to arrive in about 75 years. But we will all be dead Dec 21st anyway.
If I went on a murderous rampage on someone's family, odds are, that someone will also go on a murderous rampage on my family. Eye for an eye. Simple, really. I'm a deist so I already "behave" based on common sense, not because I'm afraid of some higher power.
I think there are still consequences for you actions, even IF God doesn't judge us in the end. Just think, Mom tells you to stay away from a stove, you disobey, and you burn yourself. Mom didn't punish you, but there are still consequences.
Because if we all went totally bonkers things would start exploding and Tumblr would be even more of a travesty than it is now (scary I know)
Believe it or not, whether or not god exists is something not every single person cares about. There's a driving force stronger than belief in god. Philosophers call it social contract, politicians call it civic duty, and the layman calls it morality. Me, I call it common sense. Sure there are people who are going to react badly and go act like gorillas on ecstasy. But most of us realize that, if we all go around doing horrible things then there is NOTHING preventing the last person you just robbed, from buying a gun and shooting your head off.
Why does not everybody do what they want if there are no consequences for their actions? that's where you're wrong. because in a godless universe there are definitely consequences for your actions. you still die if you jump off a building, your friend still hates you if you bang his girlfriend. Whether or not a deity approves has nothing to do with how shitty of a human being Hitler was, it has more to do with common sense and basically not being a dickhead than whether or not it's "Written in the rules"
do we need laws? most certainly. Do people need to learn to not be dick-heads? most definitely, humans are not preordained with this skill, but it is a skill we can acquire.
but to say there are no consequences for your actions if there is no god? that's hogwash, what do you think police do, the armed forces, the FBI, CIA? even if there weren't those organizations i'm sure in an anarchy people would frown upon you stealing their house, and create a mob to track you down (probably how the first military got its start haha).
Even if you were the only person on a godless earth in godless universe, like I said if you wanted to jump off a building the consequence is blarringly obvious, you couldn't just survive by expecting things to happen, the consequence for not hunting for food would be death.
in other words god or no god there are very obvious consequences for your actions. You don't need to be force fed them to figure it out.
DuncanJBerryFeatured By OwnerDec 2, 2012Hobbyist Photographer
I grew up in with no church, no God, and no religion. My parents let me choose, but I turned out OK.. so did my children. I'm a "recovering Christian", but not ready to become a full atheist. I'm at ther point; however, where I belive that when I die, I will become what I was before a was born... absolutely nothing.. This does not entitle me to make life miserable for someone else. Now what do you think?
i dont believe it. If there was a "god" or "gods" they were either helluva charismatic people who could pack people together to worship its awesomeness. 2. They were aliens but that too is highly unlikely thing even tho murals and whatnot describe humanlike things standing above working zerglings.
Before I turned into a christian I was a punk. If I would have never been converted I'm pretty sure I would have some kids right now lol not giving a smurf about society so not caring to help make it better just caring about me and what makes me happy.
I'm agnostic, so... unless the people who believe that I have no morals go nuts if God ceased to exist in all form and concept, I'd still be posting on a forum and playing Wold of Warcraft right now if there were no God.
Though in all honesty, the people who say you can't have morals if there is no God terrify me. If fear of a deity is the only thing preventing them from a murderous rape-filled rampage, then there's seriously something wrong.
In case you missed it there is something wrong with the whole world. We are just stuck here so we make the best of it. And if you read the paper and watch the news there is a world of shit going on outside your own house.
...and most of the people doing that believe in a deity. Your point?
If God doesn't exist, I'm not going to do anything differently, it makes no impact. And again, if the only thing preventing someone from doing a bunch of bad stuff is a potentially made-up deity, there is something wrong with them.
Hitler did believe in God. He actually told the German public it was okay to persecute the Jews because they supposedly killed Jesus, the Lord and Saviour.
Well 200 years ago my feet would have been snapped in half and I would have been married off to someone I don't even know. In America just 50 years ago my black friend would have to sit in a different section of the bus form me. In Europe 800 years ago everyone had a 1/3 chance of dying horribly by the plague. If you were Italian in the time of the Napoleonic War, well you weren't in a real country to start out with, but say goodbye to any artistic heritage the French happen to like.