Why should I hold myself to a standard that God himself doesn't? Through the Bible God has proven to be arrogant, petty, and cruel despite calling himself compassionate and forgiving in the same breath. Seems pretty immoral to me. Plus it baffles me how you can create beings with the capacity for sin and then get mad at them when they do something you disapprove of.
Personally, I think it's funny when people say God exists. But I suppose we all have things that amuse us, eh?
I believe the point that some who shout that opinion are making is that immorality cannot possibly come forth of absolute morality. Just as you cannot suddenly create light out of absolute darkness without something to cause it.
Why not? Ignoring the bad analogy which has been pointed out a few times already, why can't we call God immoral?
If he exists and created us he created our sense of morality, and by my moral standard (the Judeo-Christian and Muslim, though they are more or less the same) God is immoral. The God of the Bible are also immoral according to his own commandmends. He seems to mess up badly at the "you shall not kill" part.
If painting a picture where things pictured are alive, then it is quite possible that the painter would be immoral. If he pictured a torture scene, knowing that the figures in it would truly live and experience excruciating pain, then yes it would be immoral to draw such a scene.
But pitcures aren't alive, and I've never seen one that yells at me. So it's not really relevant.
I don't see how this is a good analogy. You're comparing a painting, which is a lifeless piece of canvas with paint on it, to people, who are living things that possess instinct and the capacity to reason and understand the world around them.
And if I can look to my parent and accuse them of being immoral, then man should be able to do so in relation to God. I don't see why that can't be done.
I notice you don't reply to the people that actually make a good argument to prove you wrong and you only pick on the people you think you can lord (See what I did there?) your ridiculous, and wrong, opinion against.
Have you read the Old Testament? The morals of the God of the old testament do not mesh with the agreed upon values that we as a modern society hold dear. That is how we can and should judge the morality of God.
That is why I have always found the argument about the existence of god - whether he does or doesn't exist - to be an irrelevant one. The bigger question is, is he a God that is worth worshiping? Modern democratic societies have fought diligently to do away with totalitarian regimes ruled by dictators who demand absolutel obedience while waving an iron fist. I would no sooner follow a celestial dictator than I would a terrestrial one.
Your fundemental mistake is the arrogance in assuming you are correct when you assert "God" created man. A) which "God" created man? Thor? Zeus? or are you arrogantly claiming that your judeo-christian god, out of all the other gods mand kind has invented, is the "True" god. and b) it doesnt really matter what your answer to A is, because they're all wrong.
I wasnt speaking exclusively about the creation myth. The point I was making is that, through out history, there have been numerous gods attributed to things humans didn't understand at the time which are now defunkt. To assume the Judeo christian god is true is purely arrogance and since we now know we evolved, surely he now no longer has a purpose?
I got your point, but Prometheus and Odin, Vili, and Ve would have been more the thing.
I think most atheists don't understand that "arrogance" will not be a critique that any believer in any religion will often take to heart. They don't see themselves as insisting that THEY are right and everyone else is wrong. Not to say there are none like that, but I don't think that's most of them. For most of them, they see themselves as *humble*, and obedient to a tradition that in many cases actually imposes ideas to them they might not agree with otherwise.
And those who really *are* arrogant won't hear it.
God is all knowing. God is all powerful. God created the people before Noah knowing they would turn wicked and he would have to annihilate them. God created the first humans knowing he would have to destroy them, why would he create humans just to destroy them?
"I have never seen a painting yell to the painter "You are a bad painter!!!"."
And if you did, you should lay off the psychadelic drugs. Its a painting, the reason you have not heard a painting say anything is because paintings cannot talk. If paintings could talk, and someone made a crappy painting, the painting would say that the painter sucked.
"The created, (who are themselves immoral) cannot tell the creator "You are immoral!"."
Yes they can.
"If you do think this way, please explain."
Being immoral does not make it impossible to point out immorality.
If it's someone who believes in god saying that he is immoral, then yes your comparison is somewhat accurate i guess. But for someone who does not believe in god, saying that the concept of god is immoral is even more accurate in my opinion
I have read it all the way through, multiple times, and I still have qualms about lots of the supposedly moral choices God makes. I don't see how, for example, it's just to execute the first born of Egypt to make a point to one man. Especially when God could have used phenomenal cosmic powers () to teleport the Israelites to safety at any moment, no execution of innocent uninvolved people required.