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Cyber-Bullying Going too Far

:iconchaoticartcrazy:
ChaoticArtCrazy Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Recently I've heard about how a vocal feminist (and when I say feminist, I mean a woman who wants actual equal rights, not some man-hating crazy person) woman was being harassed by a bunch of jerks online, and that when she tried to call them out on it, their comments when from nasty to downright terrifying. They started to threaten to RAPE and MURDER her, put up horrible pictures of her next to a noose and even one of her screaming with a thong on her face. Not only that but they also started posting personal information like her phone number and address online. She's scared to leave her house and they're justifying it by saying that since she put herself out there, they were in the right.

WHAT. THE. HELL.

I know that a lot of people turn into assholes online because of the anonymity of the Internet, but that's just plain SICK, who the Hell thinks this is in any way, shape, or form FUNNY? The Internet is for expressing your opinion right? Sure you have the right to disagree with someone else's opinion, but that sure as Hell doesn't give you the right to be a sick bastard and threaten to rape and kill them!

It wouldn't bother me so much if not for the fact that when I looked up for more information, I saw about two dozen articles saying more or less the same thing, that this is happening to a lot of women trying to speak out. Not all of them, but enough that it's a little disturbing. Hell, I looked at the comments and saw some downright nasty, sexist, homophobic and closed minded assholes doing more or less the same thing!

So I created this forum post to ask if anyone else has been a victim of cyber-bullying, and boys, don't think I'm just talking to girls. Cyber-bullying knows no gender, and we all know that guys can get just as much abuse as girls. I also what to hear about your opinions and what you think should be done about it.
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:iconadamkass:
AdamKass Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional General Artist
Cyber-bullying is one of the drawbacks of the internet. Most cyber-bullies are actually insecure, demure people in real life. The anonymity and lack of meaningful consequences for their words are what gives them the "courage" to act like knuckle-dragging fucktards and be abusive. This isn't really surprising considering these people probably either suffer from real life bullies or believe they do. As such, they take those frustrations out on people they disagree with over the net, where they are safe from actual consequences.

Then, there are the minority of these twits who actually need to be reported to law enforcement, as they really will go through with threats in real life.

Sadly, I don't think there's any meaningful means to stop these people. One can report them to police, but getting law enforcement to take these things seriously requires the capacity of the bully to carry out a physical threat. So basically, police don't really take cyber-bullying seriously if the victim isn't geographically accessible by the bully. All people can do it try to get accounts involved in cyber bullying deleted, or make friends with a really good hacker who could permanently rout the Bully's IP to the Disney site and block any attempt to get anywhere else...
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Nietzsche said, make yourself hard; he wasn't kidding around.
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1Superterry Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Teens nowadays are beginning to become more careless about others and even possibly themselves. They seem to do it just to relieve stress, cyber-bully someone to the point of suicide, or simply for fun.

If something like this were to happen to you in small places like South Korea, chances are, your whole life is destroyed within days since rumors spread far faster in much smaller countries.

But anyways the only thing I can think of to stop cyber-bullying is to give an OPPOSITE response of what they expected, or say something that will defeat the purpose of why they were cyber-bullying him/her.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Derek Jesso is a victim of cyber bullying and his bullying happens here on DA with regularity.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Links?
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
[link]
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Poor bastard has a hateful ex-partner who has been plastering nude pics of the ex all over the web for the last couple of years. Deviant art is only one of the places.

A google search might be useful to find off-site references.
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh yeah, I remember that crazy ex when Vaporeon249 posted a complaint about it...
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yes, I feel very sorry for him and it is a sobering lesson for those who pose. His slightly personal images are all over the web forever with requests for people to mock him.
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
All because of a crazy ass ex.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Meh.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student General Artist
Why did I just snickered with a smile in my face?
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Dunno.
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i-am-a-retro-lass Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
one has to keep in mind that "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me". if a sicko attacks you verbally or in writing, the police will investigate if you lay a charge. expecially if you have been threatened in writing. also, the person hosting the website should have some sort of obligation to ban these people from contacting you again? One has to be pro active in combatting these sorts of insane people who cannot have a decent debate, but must always be right and everyone else be wrong. it is a sign of ignorance in an unevolved and uncivilized brain, in my opinion, and not really a gender thing. xx
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me

Ladies and gentlemen, one of the most bullshit statements ever taught to children.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah! I saw a guy that was beaten to death by a metal framework made "Fuck", once.

That and the word "fire" in the mouth of an army captain, can be pretty damn deadly if guns are pointed at you.

Anything that is not resembling these situations, is something... highly complex from a moral point of view.
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i-am-a-retro-lass Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
i disagree with you on that,because its a choice everyone must make inside their own minds....to be a victim or not. If one is getting bullied by name calling and spiteful bullies anywhere on planet earth, in every family and every school and every community and every nation......not much one can do but hope that they become more enlightened before they die one day. Therefore, refusing to be a victim is a good way to survive the insane mindsets of bullies and other control freaks?
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Let's try that logic in another scenario: if someone gets raped, are you saying they shouldn't think themselves as a victim of rape? You seem to think that bullying is only physical, that it doesn't count if it's just words. I imagine there are many, many people out there who would say otherwise. Myself included.
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i-am-a-retro-lass Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
if i am a victim of a crime that someone else commits. i am the innocent victim of that criminal. the same with bullying. If the criminal is not an absolute psychopath, then maybe their conscience and guilt would harm them more. If I am a victim of a cold hearted tsunami or hurricane or a wild animal, I would have no one to blame even though nature does not care at all...very much like a psycopath without a conscience.....so, to blame a psycopath would be like to blame mother nature. In my opinion, the human being who kills or hurts another human being in any physical or mental way, is insane. When we all understand this, then ways to heal that insanity can begin, to stop the cycles of dysfunction once and for all, instead of letting it continue because no one can get over the need for revenge. At this stage of our evolution however, I have not met anyone who does not seek revenge for crimes committed against the innocent. xx Also, if a victim makes a choice to NOT be a victim of a bully or a rapist (I am not saying this is easy or even possible sometimes) then they can carry on living with the joy and happiness that they deserve, instead of giving the criminal the power to take these basic rights away from them. xx
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
They can't.
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:iconchaoticartcrazy:
ChaoticArtCrazy Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Um...you probably didn't notice my signature, but the sticks and stones saying isn't the best one to use on me.

And god do I hate people who always have to be right. Okay, I don't hate them, but dammit do they piss me off. I admit, I can be stubborn when I have an opinion, and I will stand by that opinion, but even I take into consideration what other people say and take it into account, and if I agree then I will change my opinion. People who always have to be right are really annoying and it's never fun having to try to express your opinion around them, because they can't take the hint as to what a freaking OPINION is.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You must hate me.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
This presupposes she was being reasonable and civil, people don't just lose their mind in a civil argument. And for all the outrage you seem to have over this, I guarantee you didn't mind that deviation that said it was funny to burn fat people alive [link] so kindly shove your outrage up your ass.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
... I didn`t. I do it regularly. They are more tender when they were cooked alive.

What? Beef makes me too fat! I metabolize human better!
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xAlxyz Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
She should have thought to call the police as soon as she saw her personal info distributed without her consent.
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KingStephenArthur Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
unless the punishment was severe and enforced EVERY time someone was cyber-bullied...then there will always be cyber-bullying.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
You thread title seems to imply that there is a degree of bullying that doesn't go too far, and ergo acceptable.

This sort of response is actually very common. I know of women whose family members have been targeted for harassment for daring to suggest that this behaviour is not cool.
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ChaoticArtCrazy Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Bullying really shouldn't be tolerated, period, and people really should get the message that trolling isn't considered funny anymore. At the same time though, trolls are just easy to ignore, but then there are those people who really can find out where you live and target you offline. I think that's the point where something seriously needs to be done, at the very least.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think she should just get back in the kitchen Holy Armory of the Queen and make me a sammich prepare rations for the Brave Knight so that I won't bitchslap her he would have the strength to protect her from the Evil Dragon.

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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Terror is an instrument of the weak.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Or just the lazy.
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Pakaku Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Bullying is only as strong as you pay attention to it :B
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TheStickEmperor Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional General Artist
Stop using the Internet. Problem solved.

whythefuckamieveninthisforum
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist
[link] <- relevant :)

There is no such thing as cyber-bullying. Just because it happens online doesn't mean it's different from bullying or harassment. If they've threatened her like that then she should call the police if she's really worried.
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MissShahira Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Welcome to the internet.
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Did they Photoshop the picture or something? How does she get something like that on her face exactly?

You also do realize that under threatening circumstances, you can actually sue the other users. That's why you don't threaten people online.

In any case, I think one should try and tone down the rhetoric just a bit. We realize that bullying is bad. But at the same time, we shouldn't use it to remove free opinion on the internet. So, just tell her to sue such users for threatening her (she can), and that should come up with an adequate solution, I think.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Link.

There are lots of vocal feminists who don't get threatened, so me thinks she said something offending.
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KyteGlory Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
I've watched just about every video she's ever made, and she hasn't really said anything offensive. Some of her views on what's sexist are pretty far-fetched, but she's never been rude or misandristic, and sometimes she's even right.

So, yeah. I'm going to have to say this incident's misogyny. Probably some sort of flash mob reactionism from sexists who only have the balls to pick a fight with a feminist if somebody else is already fighting her.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Yeah, from what I've seen her videos are kinda not offensive at all. I'm more offended she didn't like Mattie in True Grit. Really? Why does every movie have to have a goddamn lesson in it? They're in the wild west for God sake, only one lesson out there, LIFE IS HARD.

I think what really disenfranchised her from gamers is she sounds like an anthropologist going into someone's culture and analyzing everything. Gaming is kinda a very inclusive culture in a way there's a separate space for outsiders. You know, noobs and faux girl gamers. She doesn't look like a gamer, speak like a gamer or show at any point that she is a gamer in some way or form.

Totally flash mobbing, probably started off with a bunch of teenage boys.
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Won't be surprised if it was teenage boys...
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:iconchaoticartcrazy:
ChaoticArtCrazy Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
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I don't think this girl said anything offensive.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Weird, she seems to check out. And she doesn't like Twilight or anything. She's a little stale for the target audience.Totes not as funny as Nostalgia Critic or Nostalgia Chick. Also shows low levels of engagement with the 'community'. The videogaming community is very inclusive and is a little hostile to non-gamers telling them stuff.

I mean I think Michelle Phan gets less hate and she got hate because she's a fakish gamer girl (total double standard because I can think of another similar web celebrity with bigger boobs than Michelle who gets almost no hate). The same people complaining about girls who try to look like they play video games, are probably the same people who wank off the videos of big breasted asian women cosplaying as the Baroness and Chun Li.
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
She does play video games though.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
:lol: Only in this world would "And she doesn't like Twilight or anything." be a real consideration.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Yo, not liking Twilight on the internet, is like a requirement of citizenship. If Internet was a real place, the Twilight fandoms would be in the shady area of town on the second floor of the crack house.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well unfortunately, by it`s size I would say it was a rather important, nonetheless hopeless, rebellion. So it would be running the crackhouse. How else do you reckon it could possibly recrute members? In their right minds?! WHAT MADNESS IS THIS?!
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Which one? The article writer or the Youtube/blogger woman I mention to you?
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:iconchaoticartcrazy:
ChaoticArtCrazy Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Anita, though I don't completely agree with everything she's said, there's only a few things that sounded even remotely offensive and none of which warrented the response she got.
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This is a woman who thinks the list of Christmas songs she heard was sexist, despite there was NONE, namely Baby, It's Cold Outside because there is no date rape theme to it.
Along with never playing the game, Bayonetta.

But as I said before, even I hate her for the views, I won't wish that stuff she went through on my own worst enemy.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
As a woman, I have to say I like shit like Bayonetta and Panty and Stocking. It's so overtly sexist, I mean the producers had to know it when they were making. Hey guys, you know what would be hilarious? Porn tropes. Porn tropes EVERYWHERE.
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I can't even tell if you were serious or making fun of her for what she does.
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