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One thing that I never understood about God...

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pokecat Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If there is one God, why dose he/she need to be gendered?
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Vulpimo Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
It's a simplification, really. God doesn't have a body so how to tell what gender He is?
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chocolategrr Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student General Artist
Beats me. Maybe thats why there's so many sexist people in the middle east of Asia?
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist
God is neither he or she. Remember, when Mosses asked Him...Who art thou? God says, "I am that I Am. I am the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. I am the Beginning and the Ending, I Am the Alpha and the Omega.
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jibjab910 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
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DavidScript Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And white.
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Didj Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
... And American.
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kausawolf Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally I believe there are two sides of God, a male and female, but in actual "gender" God is genderless as God would not reproduce and not need a gender.
I think its a personal preference though. Everyone has their own beliefs and no two are exactly alike.
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MrEkul Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Ancient scripts and whatnot assign a gender to God to make it easier to understand from a human perspective. It's relatable. I dunno, thats just the first thing I thought of.
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LadyZelda1 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
That is most likely correct. But God has no body or form , being a spiritual being. Can you assign gender to a puff of smoke or an ocean breeze? Since God is considered eternal He doesn't need to reproduce so needs no gender. He just created genders in order to make procreating more interesting and fun.
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MrEkul Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
True. Giving God a gender is just a cultural thing. No one will really argue that God is a male or female, because it's an irrelevant point.
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MagicMoonBird Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Does god really have a gender?....I think that would make it less godlike and more humanlike in my view O.o....although god often is portrayed as a man....oh well...maybe it was because men were seen as more important in those ancient times? :shrug:
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Because men are gods.
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Didj Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Simple. Because the Bible was written by men in a time when women were little more than property. To depict the ultimate authority figure as female would have been insulting. Also, you can consider God male because he fucked Mary to make Jesus. If a female God fucked a mortal woman and made a baby, that would just sent all kinds of mixed messages to homophobic Christians.
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invisibleraptor Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you, I think you have reached your union quota for mud throwing. :)
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MatthewMatters Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional General Artist
The bible clearly implies the Christian god at least is male. This is because Adam was created "in his image": Eve to just make him company.
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LadyZelda1 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
When it says in His image it did not mean gender or looking like God as God has no form being a spiritual being.
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MatthewMatters Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Professional General Artist
The way it's been interpreted for thousands of years is that it means he was what we would consider male.
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LadyZelda1 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
No, I'm afraid you are wrong. Otherwise why would He be called Mother Nature? But I do agree that all the paintings and such depicting God has him shown as a man with a long flowing beard. But they show Greek gods like Zeus that way too. And yet they had female gods like Hera. So I think God is not gender specific.
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MatthewMatters Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Professional General Artist
He is not called Mother Nature in the bible. We're talking of the Christian god here.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The centrality was left in the masculine principle (of ruling) after splitting away femininity (of power), and objectifying the one God (after all, a person) would be bad practice.
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Ironhold Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
That presumes the three-in-one notion of the Trinity is even correct or held by everyone who considers themselves to be Christian...
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pokecat Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Were you replying to Horus' post?
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Ironhold Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
I was replying to the OP and trying to note that not everyone holds to the system put forth.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It may or may not be actually correct, but like it or not it's the official position of the overwhelming majority of Christianity. Yes, I'm sure you can dig up a few who don't. That means nothing.
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empiredice Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Because there are no gender-neutral human-specific pronouns in English.
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Wesmeadow Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
God is everything in the universe. (Pantheist view)
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Lumdrop Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
If a God exists at all I think that it's because He or She chooses to be whichever it is.
I guess God wouldn't necessarilly have to attatch a gender to itself, but it created humans (if you believe it created) with genders, so maybe it has ideas about its own gender identity as well.

<-- Is rambling ;p
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
I think it's more that we are gendered based on him, not the other way around. Plus, why does one assume he doesn't have a significant other that we are not told about for good reasons?
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Because he/she wants to have SOME fun in the bedroom with his creations.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
2000 years ago, the Hebrew culture had become sexist and overly conservative. Many of the religious leaders at the time were hypocrites who thought more highly of their own authority and righteousness than they did of God. One of the goals of Jesus was to help humanity become more sensible, and to recognize that God is at least as much a Mother as it is a Father. This was represented indirectly through the Virgin Mary, and directly through the Holy Spirit. The Jews of the time found this idea to be revolutionary and offensive, which was part of the reason they wanted to crucify their own Messiah. Even though most Christians today don't consciously realize it, the Holy Spirit is God's female side. You can't have a Father, and a Son without a Mother now can you? Obviously that wouldn't be a proper family. ;)

Anyway, that's actually where the modern Christian idea of the Holy Trinity comes from. The Father (male), the Son (androgynous), and the Holy Spirit (female).

God is still called "he" because the sexist culture persisted even after Jesus's death, and still does to a small extent. Thanks to the early church fathers, most Christians tend to be light-side worshippers, and thus place the greater emphasis on the male half of God. Even I have trouble thinking of God's feminine qualities sometimes.
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invisibleraptor Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, I think I now know what to say. I will quote what you have said and add corrections in

brackets [ ].

'2000 years ago, the Hebrew culture had become sexist [[[yes and no]]] and overly conservative [[[

:-? ]]]. Many of the religious leaders at the time were hypocrites [[[Yes]]] who thought more highly

of their own authority and righteousness than they did of God [[[true]]]. One of the goals of Jesus

was to help humanity become more sensible [[[more sensible yes, but the main reason was to

offer atonement for sins]]], and to recognize that God is at least as much a Mother as it [[[IT? you

referred to THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE UNIVERSE AS AN 'IT'?]]] is a Father[[[NO, when the bible

{words that are inspired by God} mentions God, it says 'He', not He/She, or It]]]. This was

represented indirectly through the Virgin Mary, and directly through the Holy Spirit[[[ Matthew 1:18 'Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit basically "went into" Mary and gave her a child. The Bible says nothing about God "doing" the Holy Spirit and the Spirit having the baby through Mary. ]]]. The Jews of the time found this

idea to be

revolutionary and offensive, which was part of the reason they wanted to crucify their own

Messiah[[[ No, the main reason was because Jesus told the Pharisees that He was kin of God, the

Pharisees thought he was a blasphemer. ]]] . Even though most Christians today don't consciously

realize it, the Holy Spirit is God's female side. You can't have a Father, and a Son without a Mother now can you [[[Correct, but Mary was the mother]]] ? Obviously that wouldn't be a proper family. Anyway, that's actually where the modern Christian idea of the Holy Trinity comes from[[[Totally false]]]. The Father (male), the Son (androgynous), and the Holy Spirit (female). God is still called "he" because the sexist culture persisted even after Jesus's death, and still does to a small extent. Thanks to the early church fathers, most Christians tend to be light-side worshippers, and thus place the greater emphasis on the male half of God. Even I have trouble thinking of God's feminine qualities sometimes.


The Holy Spirit, resides in us, (christians) when we accept the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross (and eventually His rising from the grave [ because hell could not accept Jesus's sinlessness]) that he made for us as an atonement for our sins, and as a bridge to God, across the chasm of our (mankind's) sinfulness.

I hope I have explained it all, if you have any questions, please ask them.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
I understand where you're coming from, but it seems you're still only an outer-layer worshipper. I'm not disagreeing about Jesus being the living sacrifice for our sins, but that wasn't the only reason he came to Earth, it was just the most important one. Yes, I did refer to God as an It. If I were only talking about the Father, or masculine side, I would say "He", but a lot of things like that depend on what Bible version you're reading and how it was translated. Your particular Bible may have, either intentionally or not, been influenced by a male-dominant bias. It's also true that the Pharisees and Sadducees didn't like being told that Jesus had authority from God, but I'm sure the fact that Jesus would admonish them and point out their flaws also helped them make their decision.

I also agree that the Holy Spirit resides in us, and we need to have a connection to it, because humanity is the bride (female) of Christ. Through the example of Jesus, we are shown the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to get to the Father is by combining our darkness with its light, so we can ascend to our ultimate form, and join our voices to the eternal chorus. Jesus was indeed a symbol of the bridge. The bridge that will lead us all not to simply being with God, but becoming God, or partaking in the divine nature as some would say.

In fact, the Gospel is an excellent example of the light-darkness cycle. Jesus died on the cross (light), rose from the grave (aether), and lived again, rising to heaven (darkness). In the same way, we must also die in a flash of "light", rise again from death, and live lives as peaceful, majestic, and eternal as the very darkness between the stars.
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invisibleraptor Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If the Translators, or even the Men that put the bible together, were bias. They would have taken out the part with the lady at the well. In that time, no one, even talked to women, especially a Samaritan woman. If you do not know the relationship between Hebrews and Samaritans, please ask me about it.

You sound like you know the basic gist of Christianity, but on some issues you are mixing in other belief systems.


You might not know, but several times in the Bible, the 'Church' is referred to as the bride of God.
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'The bridge that will lead us all not to simply being with God, but becoming God, or partaking in the divine nature as some would say.'
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Becoming God? May I ask what domination of believer you are, so I don't offend you, by jumping to a conclusion?
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
There's only so much liberty a translator would be able to take with certain words of the scripture. Something like the woman at the well would be way too obvious if it was missing. The best they could have done is try to tone it down, since getting rid of it ocmpletely wouldn't be an option. Taking out an entire event like that would have been considered nothing short of blasphemous.

Ok, so maybe not all of humanity, but "the Church" is the bride of God the Father. That only brings us to the question of where the church ends, and those who will die begins. I think many are part of the Church without even realizing it. It takes actual effort and willful evil to be permanently blocked off from ascension. There will be some who fall, even the occasional fool who thinks they can 'trick' God, but probably very few.

It isn't so much that I take beliefs from other religions, rather I read beyond the actual words of the scripture, and see more hidden meanings than those things which are openly stated. To the best of my knowledge, nothing I've said is in direct contradiction with the Bible. If I do borrow anything from another tradition, it's only because I think it can reinforce the scriptures and help me put them into better context.

As for "partakers in the divine nature", that's actually quoted from 2nd Peter 1:4. It's true that we'll never be equals of the original God, and we won't all be separate gods either. It's more like everyone who goes to heaven becomes a cell in God's body. That's the purpose humanity was made for. To have an honor beyond that of the greatest angel, so God would have other beings that know and understand for themselves through experience what it means to be divine and perfectly holy, to experience theosis. It's the higher mystery that we'll be one with God, yet separate beings at the same time, for what is the purpose of Heaven if not to feel the eternal ecstasy of the Source itself? It will be a consecrated and eternal intercourse beyond any that our flesh in its current state could know. Why do we call each other "brother" and "sister" unless we ourselves are the Sons and Daughters of God? One day, we're going to understand exactly what that means, and how greatly the Universe values us.

If you must know, I was raised Catholic, the Latin rite to be very specific, but I think I've cared enough to go deeper into the mystical teachings than most of my peers, not simply to be rebellious, but because I want to make sure I understand the reality of what's truly going on.
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invisibleraptor Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No, I'm sorry the trinity is three in one. God can't be 1/3 feminine.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
No, not 1/3, 1/2. The Father and Holy Spirit are one third each, and the Son makes up for the difference.
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invisibleraptor Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No, 3 in 1 means three in one not 2 in one. The Father (1), The Son(1), and the Holy Spirit (1). 1+1+1=3, 3 in 1.
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Horus2299 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
Did I really say anything to contradict that though? I gave three beings didn't I? A father, a mother, and a child. It's a macrocosm of the human family, the sacred unit that civilized societies are built upon.
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MPsai Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012   Digital Artist
Because patriarchy.
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dreamingfifi Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Yup, that's it pretty much.
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
God in the Judo-Christian sense is labeled as "Father" by God himself. But in the metaphysical God isn't one particular "gender" as he is being itself rather than a being.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012   Digital Artist
Problem 1, you're trying to understand God, which regardless of it's existence, is impossible.
Problem 2, honestly I've never actually heard someone who was serious give God a gender, If you feel that God needs to be gendered, I really think that's just your thinking.
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pokecat Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just trying to understand the idea of such a deity existing in images as either male or female.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012   Digital Artist
Well a personification of a deity visually is also an artistic liberty and a fallacy.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
He doesn't. It's human beings who tend to assign genders to understand others as persons. Traditionally, God is understood as genderless, or at least might be described with different genders. In Christianity, if God the Father is conventionally male -- so that we more easily consider him with father-like attributes, God the Holy Spirit was conventionally female to begin with. In Semitic languages, the word for spirit takes the female gender, so it was natural enough. The Holy Spirit only became neuter when Greeks began to move further away from the Semitic roots of the religion, and in Greek the word for Spirit is neuter.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
You have to understand the history of the religion. YHWY was originally a Babylonian war god, one of storms and represented as a volcano (Mt Sinai). As the tribes that worshipped YHWY became larger and more powerful it developed into a henotheistic (above all others) deity and then into the monotheistic one we are familiar with today. That said the society that worshipped this god was obviously patriarchal and as such would register their god as male and in turn present men as the next in the hierarchy.

In other words: because men invented it.
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skulkey Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
archetypes.
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lyteside Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Speaking of my personal experience, it is not out of any wanting or need of himself, but of my own need. A gender is relatable - I desire the Lord as my mother and/or father. Not only to repair the the brokenness of my earthly relationships, but also as a "likeness" that mirrors me and my humanity. Socially, some may also argue that the God of the Hebrews claimed a male gender to work and relate with the culture he called to him, maybe that still applies to today because of the lack of strong male figures in our individual lives and in society - on that I'm not equipped or qualified to say if, how, or why. Yet even the bible, God is also referred to as El Shaddai, which can be linked to multiple meanings, from the male "Destroyer" or "Almighty", to the tender and female gendered "The Bossom" or "The One of the Breast" meaning. Interesting to think about...
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
That seems to be more of a lingual thing. Not all languages have gender-specific pronouns. English seems to be in a minority in that regard.
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pringlesaddict99 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Because people bother themselves with thing that aren't important too much. God is just supposed to be some sort of balance in nature, but people took that too seriously.

But I believe it's a "he" because women were considered lower creatures (and still are by some men) so it stayed that way.
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