Hoo, boy. That is an ornery bull to tackle right there. It certainly is a pleasing thought to imagine that segregation in the afterlife is as simple as good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. I know that the Jesus Fan Club will likely tell you that entrance to heaven is not achieved though works, but through unwavering faith. Meaning that being a good or a bad person in life is not nearly as important as just believing in what the Bible says. Because, to the Christian God, we are all little shit stains who will never be good enough for him because we are all just born evil. But due to some convoluted loop-hole, if you believe that Jesus was real and you are super grateful about it, then you get to go to heaven.
Basically, according to Christianity, the racist sexist bigot who believes in Jesus Christ will go to heaven while a non-Christian who is a super nice guy and devoted his life to helping others will burn in hell. That being said, you can go ahead and create your own religion where the result on a good or bad meter determines your afterlife if it'll make you feel any better.
Personally I think that people are judged based on their actions and not on their beliefs. So the "racist sexist bigots" would actually be going to hell because even though they believed in God, they were total douche bags in their life time. On the other hand, the "super nice guys" would go to heaven because even though they didn't believe in God, they did a ton of good deeds. That's what I believe.
I'm not about to start a cult based on what I believe. Other people can do that stuff, but I'm too lazy and the entire thing is pretty useless and self-defeating. I'll just believe what I believe and let other people worry about what other people think. If you don't like it, then I'm sorry for sharing it, but I'm entitled to my opinion.
I'm pretty indifferent about the entire thing. I'm just stating the facts about Christianity. According to that religion, just being a super nice person will not gain you access into heaven. You have to accept Christ as your lord and master. You can have your belief but it is not the same belief as what Christianity teaches. For the record, I am not promoting Christianity or any religion.
Yeah, that's what a lot of Christians believe. Fortunately, I'm not Christian. I grew up in a Christian household, but I don't believe in the same things. My beliefs came from my conclusions on what God should be like, it doesn't necessarily mean He actually is.
You may as well be afraid that ancient mummified corpses will suddenly awaken and reclaim their extracted organs from jars as they once more walk the earth. I think that it's a safe bet to say that the whole Christian idea of heaven and hell is nothing more than a self-satisfying selfish glorification of cultural intolerance.
I agree with you. I'm catholic but I don't believe about having to be in a religion in order to go to heaven. I don't think we necessarily have to do exaclty what the bible says, go to church every day or every Sunday, or pray every day at x hr on x days.... blah blah... I think that God will be happy as long as we do good things! As long as we are nice with other people, respect nature, and dedicate a certain time to pray or just have a "conversation" with God well, that's what I do, in the night I pray and then have a long conversation (Maybe a discussion with myself to be more exact xP ) with God (talk to my self ) but even if you don't believe in God, I think that God is nature so as long as we respect nature and people I think we are ok the thing is to live in harmony, promote peace, don't commit bad acts, and have a clean conscience
Speaking from a Christian perspective, nothing you do can be good enough to earn your way into heaven. Heaven is only for perfect people. The sad thing is, nobody is perfect, and thus nobody can go to heaven and everyone deserves death and hell. Lucky for you, there is good news. God decided to take your punishment of death for you, so if you ask him to take away your sins and believe He has the power to do so, then He will freely do so.
If there is a raging inferno outside, the story/metaphor doesn't work very well, does it? The fire would almost certainly destroy my house and those with it. Escape and evacuation for all is a better metaphor in that regard (yet mixing my story and an inferno metaphor is problematic in general).
My original statement is not a reflection of my "theology" as much as it is just thinking about how things work in this life - to evoke the plumbline in regard to spiritual matters. I would be horrified if you took it as an analogy of how I expect things to work or be in the next life, so I hope that's not the case...
Oh, was going to add that the comment works when paired with the attitude "I get to go to heaven because I was good." it doesn't when paired with "I'm on fire, someone please help me."
In the second we are closer to understanding God's heart and desire to rescue us from our troubles, just as you would.
You may not be a "perfect manifestation of love" (heh), but I've seen your desire and zealousness for truth and clear thinking. You are a champion of sorts in this way, and definitely a reflection of the deeper truth and deep love that exists in te great beyond (regardless if and when we disagree).
Nevermind that if I were omnipotent I could prevent such a fire from catching and omnipresent would mean I wouldn't have to blame victims when they were set up to catch on fire by my all encompassing will. But thus metaphor is being streched a little thin.
I'm not sure we have the ability to know. If there's a God, his will is his will and his nature is his nature, I can't pretend to know it.
I don't believe in heaven, and as such, don't think there's any way to get there. In my experience, peace is found in accepting nature's tougher truths rather than running away from them. We are all the recipients of the good deeds of others, and as such, we need to do good deeds to honor those who have helped us, and to honor all the other people we could have been. Not to mention to feed love and good karma back into the universal system. No, I don't mean that last part literally.
Anyway, that's my two worthless cents, but I hope you're right. It's easier to conceive of a God existing who judges the hearts of his creations by the work they do, rather than whether they happen to believe in the right doctrine, when the right doctrine seems very hard to discern from our position.
I think, if the God I think you mean is real, there can only be universal salvation. And yeah, that does mean Hitler in heaven. But no worries, cause there's no such thing as bad in heaven. It's that kind of place.
Eh, not so sure about them. I mean, 4 of them is dedicated to God's ego and 1 to his resting day. 1 is punishing "adultery", whatever that might mean(and by that, I mean you can interpret that in a ridiculus amount of ways. Like how all non-marrital sex have been viewed as adultery in the past). And last on the list of strange commandmends there is the one who says that you're not allowed to desire something someone else has, which is basicly making a rule no humans can follow(punishing thought crime it seems).
Only three of the ten seems to have anything to contribute towards being a good person, making the list a bit superflous.