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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It doesn't matter what you do on earth as long as your soul is safe with God, that's predestination.

Do I paint too blacker a picture of predestination? What do you think?
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brainninja11 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Student General Artist
I don't think you have made too grim of an assessment. It is basically saying that what you do doesn't matter, because you are already saved or damned as it is.
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lyteside Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Predestination is more like Darth Vader throwing the Emperor into the great abyss on the Death Star.
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jarringx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
fate and destiny are often confused which bring up strange ideas like predestination to allow people who have no knowledge on the subject to have a jaded, yet, concrete clue of the idea.

Fate would be the better word to use in this scenario.

Imagine balancing a ruler in the middle horizontally

the ruler is literally everything. the beginning, the ending, you, me, and everything in-between.

The ruler is fate.

Destiny is where your hand is, it is right now.

Now is all that matters

However, fate can be thrown askew, convicted, or imagined.

Now, you ask about pre-destiny? Sounds lifeless, still, in the dark...demons

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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Death comes to us all.
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jarringx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
eternity is the mark i make
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Eternity is a long way off.
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jarringx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
it's still here, as well as there, before, and without.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yes, but it is immaterial.
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jarringx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
material is* a blank sheet
sorry
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jarringx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
i suppose
but the way i see it, material as a blank sheet of paper that hasn't been written on...
...where was i going with this
oh, you labeled eternity as immaterial.
sure, it may not be as concrete as you like to think
but i think it can be ;)
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defaultking Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
"Nothing is written!"
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Zappa. Excellent avatar.
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defaultking Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Thanks for noticing! Also, the quote is from "Lawrence of Arabia".
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Predestination means whatever you chose to do, it was already determined that you would do that. That means you have no free will. God knows what you are going to do, because he is omnicious. But still it was your choice.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Then God would be guilt of sin?
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist
Why blame God? Blame yourself. Just, because God is all knowing past and future, that doesn't make him guilty for what you did.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Then why are we guilty of first sin?

How I've always seen it is that if God knows everything and everything is under "his" design then nothing we do matters as are choices are not are own. So why are we punished for something we have no control over?
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist
Because, God didn't create you as a robot, whose lack of capacity for human emotions. Instead, He created you as a human being so that you can have a free will to choose...whether if it's good or evil.

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Saeter Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
The question wasn't why there is free will but why must God punish us for expressing it?
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Because He knows the future that makes Him guilty of sin? How did you come up with that burst of brilliance?
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Saeter Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Because then everything is within "his" power to prevent or else by "his" design, then we never had any say in the matter.
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TimeHasAnEnd Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist
God created everything perfectly and everything He does is perfect, but if choose evil, then there's consenquences that you will fall. Like, Adam and Eve, they were created perfectly. Unfortunately, they choose Satan instead of God.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Point being why is there evil if everything was created "perfect"?
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
You always have a say, good or bad. He judges you by your intentions.
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Saeter Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
Good and bad are subjective terms. What one person finds good another may find evil.
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012
whatever.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
*guilty
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DumbLuck92 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist
does free will play a part in predestination?
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
How couldn't it?
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KittyTheNekoAlien Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I was thinking "how could it" since if everything is predestined, it's hardly free will since it was always going to happen, no matter what we decide to do.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Without God, nothing is determined; therefore, choice must decide your destiny. Even the chosen must choose, otherwise they are not gonna go anywhere.
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DumbLuck92 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist
yeah...I wasn't thinking straight when I asked that question. Sorry about that.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
It seems like the basis for what Jack Chick wrote in those obnoxious tracts.

The way it had been taught for me is that those who persevere in the system have a greater 'reward' come the afterlife. To compare and contrast and metaphor: One player of Sonic 2 finishes Emerald Hill Zone with 100 rings and far under 2 minutes. The other doesn't even have a single ring and waits for 5:59 to cross the level exit: Who do you think got more score?

Either way, you've made it anyway and will be baked and there will be cake eternal worship and stripping of free will.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Bless your heart. You will be rewarded with cake.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Is this cake a product of Aperture Sciences? :stinkeye:
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It's good cake.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012   Digital Artist
Are you saying predestination can only exist in a God based belief system?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
No, that's not what I am saying, I am saying it helps.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012   Digital Artist
So do I need God to be present to knock over a line of dominos?
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You keep putting words in my mouth, it won't work to make a fool of me.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012   Digital Artist
Words don't go in mouths silly.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
It kind sounds like you're saying god intended rape victims to be raped, hate crime victims to be attacked, the parents of a suicide victim were destined to suffer unimaginable pain.
Kind of seems like god isn't protecting anyone from anything and that worshiping him has no consequences positive or negative
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KittyTheNekoAlien Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The very reasons I don't believe in predestination or that God controls these kind of things to happen >.> He'd have to be pretty sadistic to go and do those kind of things by his own choice :c
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That's exactly what it sounds like.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
That's pretty indistinguishable from reality.
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